‘A lot of people will think, “Oh – it’s a single by the bloke who plays guitar in The Loft…” and they’ll have an idea of what that might sound like, so I didn’t want to disappoint them’

Andy Strickland – don’t get him started…

 

It’s been a busy time for reformed ’80s indie-janglers The Loft. In 2025, they released their well-received debut album Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, more than 40 years after splitting up, and this year, they followed it up with another critically-acclaimed long-player, Badges.

Now they’re taking a well-deserved break to pursue other projects, and first out of the gate (or should that be up the hill and down the slope?) is guitarist Andy Strickland (The Caretaker Race, The Chesterfields), with his debut solo single, ‘Don’t Get Me Started’ – a classic piece of jangly and infectious, organ-laced, Pretenders-style guitar pop. 

Released this month (November 6, on Precious Recordings of London), as a 7in vinyl single, with the jaunty, brass-led  ‘Have-A-Go Henry’ on the B-side, the song was produced by Sean Read (Dexys, The Hanging Stars) and features Alan Gregg from The Mutton Birds and Polite Company on bass, Rob Parry (The Chesterfields) on drums, and Read on keys. 

In an exclusive interview, Strickland, who lives on the Isle of Wight, which is where the video for the single was filmed, tells Say It With Garage Flowers about writing and recording his debut solo material and being inspired by Belle and Sebastian. He also reveals what’s likely to get him started…

Q&A

Let’s talk about your debut solo single, ‘Don’t Get Me Started.’ You co-wrote half of Badges, the album by The Loft which came out earlier this year, and on the band’s 2025 album Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, you co-wrote the track ‘Somersaults.’ So, did co-writing songs for The Loft give you more confidence to write some solo material?

Andy Strickland: Definitely. As you say, I did one co-write on that first Loft album, which was a bit Machiavellian [of me]. I’m not having a go at Pete [Astor – The Loft frontman], but he’d originally said, ‘Oh no – they need to be my songs…’, and then I sent him my idea for ‘Somersaults’ in amongst a load of other guitar things I was working on for his songs, just to see if he noticed. He rang me back the next day and said, ‘Fuck, I can’t stop singing that bloody tune you sent over. I think we should do something with that.’

So, that was good, but then when we finished touring that Loft album, Pete and I had loads of ideas between us, so, he came down to mine and we spent four or five days writing seven or eight songs between us, and it just worked really well.

So, that gave me confidence to keep doing it, and it exercised my songwriting muscle. I do believe that the more you do it, the better you get at it. So, I just carried on, and I had these other things that were knocking about, and so, after The Loft stopped touring, I thought, ‘Well, if I don’t do it now, I’m never going to do it.’

So, I booked a week at Sean Read’s place [Famous Times, in Hackney] and thought, ‘Well, that’s it now; I’ve got to finish some of these songs.’ We ended up doing three and chose a couple of them for the single.

‘When I wrote ‘Don’t Get Me Started’, I thought, “Oh, does that sound too much like ‘Back on the Chain Gang?” But it’s alright, I’ve got away with it’

‘Don’t Get Me Started’ has that classic jangly pop guitar sound that you’ve embraced throughout your music career, and it’s a song about the ups and downs of being in a relationship…

Yeah – the frustrations and the compromises… Having to sometimes zip your lip… The guitar sound is the stuff I really like doing, and I suppose it was an obvious thing for me to do really. I imagine a lot of people will think, ‘Oh – it’s a single by the bloke who plays guitar in The Loft…’ and they’ll have an idea of what that might sound like, so I didn’t want to disappoint them too much.

I think it has the feel of The Pretenders…

Definitely. When I wrote it, I thought, ‘Oh, does that sound too much like Back on the Chain Gang’ or something?’ But I then thought, ‘No, it’s alright, I’ve got away with it.’

Playing with you on the single you’ve got Alan Gregg from The Mutton Birds and Polite Company on bass, Rob Parry on drums and Sean Read on keys…

Yeah. I didn’t want to get Loft people involved, because I wanted it to be separate, but Alan was playing with The Loft on tour, and we were chatting in the van on the way to a gig, and I said, ‘Oh, yeah – I’ve booked a few days at Sean’s and I don’t know who I’m going to get…’

Alan said, ‘If you need a bass player, I’d love to do it.’ I was delighted because I was originally thinking I would have to do it myself. Rob played drums in The Chesterfields when I was in them.

The Chesterfields at The Black Sheep Bar, Ryde, Isle of Wight – Sept 2022. Andy Strickland is on the left.
Photo: Sean Hannam

 

Recording at Sean’s was fun, but it was a really hot week… It was in the middle of July, when the World Cup was on, and London was scorching. It can get a bit warm in Sean’s place during a heatwave. I’ve booked another session there in January – it won’t be shorts weather then…

The B-side of the single, ‘Have-A-Go Henry’, is jaunty and brassy – Sean, who is in Dexys, plays trumpet and sax on it…

Yeah – I wrote it as a bit of a nod to Belle and Sebastian, who we [The Loft] played with at the Royal Albert Hall, in April.

I listened to quite a lot of their stuff, and I watched how Stuart [Murdoch] plays rhythm guitar – he’s got a particular way of playing. So, I sort of wrote a song based on my impression of them and how he played the guitar, and that’s how it came out.

When I was writing the song, it was obvious that it needed brass, and so I wrote the brass parts for Sean to play, and he tweaked them a bit. I had this idea of where they would be and what they would do for the song. I wasn’t sure whether he’d be up for doing it or not, because one of the lines is very Dexys, and I thought he might go, ‘Oh, I don’t know about that…’ but he was great and he was up for it, so it was excellent. It was good fun.

Lyrically, ‘Have-A-Go Henry’ is partly about a young guy trying to impress a girl he likes – it deals with adolescence and teenage emotions…

Definitely. I think it’s a little bit of a nod to some of the early Belle and Sebastian stuff, or an old Madness song… It’s supposed to be about an old man writing a song about a teenage relationship… It’s a bit weird, but I think it worked.

Andy Strickland. Photo: Embracing Unique with Laura Holme

How was it playing the Royal Albert Hall with Belle and Sebastian?

It was incredibly exciting – a bit of a dream come true. I’ve watched so many gigs on videos and DVDs of people playing the Albert Hall and thought, ‘Bloody hell – that must be nice; imagine doing that…’

So, to get asked to do it… Everyone there was so professional and so supportive, as you would imagine. There was none of that, ‘You’re only the support band…’ We had our own little crew, and it was great.

Would you like to make a solo album?

Yeah, I would – if there’s interest. Well, these days you can do it anyway… but in terms of putting out some kind of vinyl… I’ll probably see if people like the single… The early signs are good. I’d like to do something because I think some of the songs that I’ve got in my back pocket are as good as, if not better than, these. It would be good to put a band together and do a few shows next year.

As a man known for his jangly ‘80s guitar sound, how did you feel about Johnny Marr auctioning off his guitars earlier this year?

I was a bit sad that I didn’t get up to London to have a look at them – that must’ve been nice… When you get to that sort of level, people give you stuff, don’t they, so you must end up with loads of them. I’ve got more guitars than I should have, so Johnny Marr must have had warehouses full of them.

There were some lovely guitars – they’re things of beauty, like classic cars, that you just like being around. Well done to Johnny for having a clear out and giving a load of money to charity. Good man.

‘I’ve got more guitars than I should have, so Johnny Marr must have had warehouses full of them’

As we’re coming up to the end of the year, what new music from 2026 have you been enjoying?

I’m an old man, so my memory’s not good when I think about what I was listening to six months ago, but recently I was listening to the new British Birds album [Murmurate, Oscillate], which is good. It’s got lots of different stuff on it – some of it sounds like XTC and some of it sounds like pop music.

I saw Mary in the Junkyard on telly a few weeks ago and I thought they were great. I’m always trying to find new stuff and to not just go back and listen to the same old things.

So, finally, as your solo single is called ‘Don’t Get Me Started’, what’s most likely to get you started these days?

Well, funnily enough, it’s band related… It’s the way some people approach being in a band. We’re not grumpy old bastards, but you know, sometimes you see people in [other] bands that you’re playing with, and they’ve got 300 pedals and they’re only playing for 20 mins… So, bringing along huge amounts of equipment for no reason, or wearing sunglasses on stage indoors, in a small venue.

One of the worst ones is support bands who come into the dressing room and put all their stuff on the seating, so there’s nowhere to sit down. If you’re in a band and you put all your coats and your guitars and your guitar cases on all the chairs, and there’s nowhere for me to sit down, I can get a bit cross. There should be a little handbook on it.

You could bring one out with the single…

Or I could put it on a T-shirt.

Yes, as a list printed on the back…

After this interview, I’ll get on to Nick Godfrey [who runs the label, Precious Recordings of London] to rush some out.

‘Don’t Get Me Started’ is released as a 7in single on November 6 via Precious Recordings of London.

‘There were 20 years when we didn’t talk to each other at all…’

 

Photo of The Loft by Ruth Tidmarsh

 

It’s early February 2025 and Say It With Garage Flowers is sat in a North London pub with two members of ‘8os jangly indie band, The Loft: Pete Astor (guitar and vocals) and Andy Strickland (guitar).

Prior to our trip to the boozer, we had tea and cake in nearby Mario’s Café, the tiny Kentish Town eatery that was immortalised in song by Saint Etienne.

Today, it’s also played another part in pop music history – it’s where The Loft have shot the video for their new song, The Elephant  – a jerky and quirky, post-punk-meets-indie-pop tune.

A few friends and associates were invited to the café to participate in the filming and take footage on their mobile phones to use in the video – Astor and Strickland performed acoustic versions of some of the band’s new tracks, including The Elephant and Feel Good Now.

Both of those songs are taken from the band’s debut album, Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, which is out in March. Yes, you read that right… their debut album.

Andy Strickland and Pete Astor at Mario’s Cafe – photo: Sean Hannam

Despite releasing their first single, Why Does the Rain, in 1984, on Creation Records, and following it up with Up the Hill and Down The Slope the following year, The Loft never got to make an album – famously, just as they were about to hit the big time, the band split up on stage at the Hammersmith Palais, in front of 3,000 people on the final date of a tour supporting The Colourfield.

Now, more than 40 years later, Astor, Strickland and fellow original members, Bill Prince (bass) and Dave Morgan (drums), have finally got round to recording and releasing their debut long-player.

Produced by Sean Read (Dexys, Edwyn Collins, The Hanging Stars), it’s a great record – both urgent and upbeat, and reflective and melancholy.

It sounds exactly like you’d hope and expect the first album by The Loft to sound like after 40 years – there are plenty of floppy-fringed nods to their classic and melodic, ‘80s indie jangle-pop, but, at the same time, it’s a record that’s fresh, inspired, inventive and occasionally surprising. Funnily enough, it’s as if everything has changed, but everything has stayed the same… 

There’s the mid-‘60s-Beatles-meets-Paisley-Underground of first single, Dr Clarke, the Velvet Underground chug of Ten Years, the angular, Television-like post-punk of Do The Shut Up, and the shimmering, English seaside town nostalgia of Greensward Days and Somersaults – the latter has a brilliant, George Harrison-style guitar solo by Strickland.

“It sounds like The Loft because it’s the four of us… When we play together, we sound like The Loft. There was never any, ‘Oh – how did we get those guitar sounds back in ’84?’,” says Strickland, over a pint.

Adds Astor: “It evolved pretty quickly that the album was going to be two guitars, bass and drums. There are many other ways to make records, and to make Loft records, but for the debut album it just felt right.”

Q&A

Your debut single, Why Does the Rain, came out in 1984, on Creation Records, but your debut album, Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, is being released 41 years later – in March 2025. That must be some kind of a record… Does it feel like that long?

Pete Astor: No – time is a very strange thing, isn’t it? It feels like another lifetime and last week. That’s life… Everything changes, everything stays the same. (laughs). Sorry for that so early in the interview.

(Laughs). That’s fine. Famously, The Loft split up on stage at The Hammersmith Palais in 1985, after the release of your second single, Up the Hill and Down the Slope. I don’t want to dwell on that, but, if you hadn’t broken up then, do you think your debut album would’ve come out that year?

Pete Astor: I think it would’ve done.

Andy Strickland: I don’t think we had a great plan exactly, but I’m pretty sure Creation would’ve have put an album out then – we were on that trajectory – and it would’ve been a good one as well.

Pete Astor: Totally.

So, when Creation put out the compilation album, Once Around the Fair: The Loft 1982–1985, in 1989, was that representative of what your debut would’ve sounded like?

Pete Astor: Yes and no, because when you think about it, they were the first things that we did – it was everything we recorded at the time, but there would’ve been other songs…

You’ve reformed since 1985 – you came back in 2006 and put out the single, Model Village, but why did you decide to get back together yet again and make the new album?

Pete Astor: We didn’t really discuss it in 2006… It felt right to do a single, but it didn’t feel right to do an album… I don’t really know why. It wasn’t like we fell out, but it was never on the cards for some weird reason.

Andy Strickland: We did a bit of recording, but there was never any great desire to turn it into something more than that.

‘When you’ve been on the planet for a certain amount of time, the world looks different now from what it did in 2006’

So, what changed?

Pete Astor: It’s so funny – there’s no reason for it, but it just felt right. That sounds a bit lame. We did the Riley & Coe Session [in 2023] and that felt very right. I was taking a year away from work… In the arc of your life, it felt like the right time, without getting too much into it… Different things happen in different decades, and in the 2000s, we were in a different lifecycle – there were a lot of other life things taking place, whereas now it’s more of a coming to terms time. When you’ve been on the planet for a certain amount of time, for me, the world looks different now from what it did in 2006.

Andy Strickland: Pete’s writing songs all the time and releasing them on solo albums or as The Attendant, or gigging with them, or whatever. He felt that he had a bunch of songs that might work with the four of us playing them – we didn’t know if it would – so we signed up to do it, and said, ‘Let’s see what happens, but if it doesn’t work out, we won’t do it’.

How long after your initial breakup did you first get back together and was it awkward?

Andy Strickland: There were about 20 years when we didn’t talk to each other at all.

Pete Astor: It was very awkward, and not good. I think we saw each other in the off licence in Walthamstow once and scowled at each other. We didn’t realise we lived quite close to each other, which was bizarre. Weirdly, we weren’t that far away.

How was it when you got back together to play gigs in 2006?

Pete Astor: It was quite emotional. We felt like we’d grown up – we’d lived much more life.

Andy Strickland: It was nice to reconnect. It’s not a nice thing to have been mates as a group of people, made art – been in a band – and then not talk to each other for 20 years.

‘I think we saw each other in the off licence in Walthamstow and scowled at each other’

Photo by Joe Shutter

You split up in a spectacular style, on stage, in front of 3,000 people…

Andy Strickland: Well, if you’re going to do it, fucking do it right!

Let’s talk about your new album, Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same – you went into the studio with producer Sean Read to record it last August…

Pete Astor: I’ve made several albums with him, and it was a no-brainer that he’d be the perfect person to do it – and he was… It’s the sound he’s got and his understanding. He’s such a good producer but he’s got such a light touch. One of my pet hates with engineers and producers is when they tell you what they’re doing. ‘I’m just going to EQ your Sidechain MIDI…’ ‘Shut up! I don’t care – just do it!’

Sean isn’t that person – he’s incredible with technology but he’s not a bore at all. He just uses it brilliantly and his editing skills are great – he makes it look very easy. I love his mixing, and when you hear one of our records on the radio, it’s a lovely moment of vanity – you can rewind the track to hear the song before it, and generally you can hear our track go boom! It’s louder than anything else – it’s all the things you want from a record…

How long did it take to make the album?

Pete Astor: Five days. I did all the vocals in an afternoon.

Didn’t you record some of the vocals in bare feet? I saw some photographs that were shared on social media.

Pete Astor: I did do some in bare feet…

Andy Strickland: It was very hot…

Pete Astor: Andy was even reduced to wearing shorts at one stage… So was I, but there were no photographs…

Andy Strickland: Unfortunately, I did get photographed in my shorts…

Photo by Ruth Tidmarsh

How was the recording process?

Andy Strickland: Pete told us early on what we should do – we didn’t go into the studio at all when Sean was editing and mixing the album, and it worked brilliantly. There was none of that sitting at the back of the room and saying, ‘Can you turn the bass up a bit?’ Apart from a couple of tiny things, we didn’t change anything.

Pete Astor: You let the person do their job… I was always inspired by Ken Scott, who said when he finished recording Hunky Dory, Bowie was like, ‘See you then, Ken…’ It wasn’t Bowie’s job to mix the record – it was Ken’s… I think that’s exactly how it should be.

How did you approach making a debut album after such a long time? Did you set out to capture any of your original, mid-‘80s sound?

Andy Strickland: No – we didn’t have any discussions or thoughts around that. It sounds like The Loft because it’s the four of us… When we play together, we sound like The Loft… There was never any, ‘Oh – how did we get those guitar sounds back in ’84?’

Pete Astor: It evolved pretty quickly that the album was going to be two guitars, bass and drums. There are many other ways to make records, and to make Loft records, but for the debut album it just felt right – let’s be as good as we can, but let’s use the primary colours of how we make music. It didn’t seem appropriate for this record to be using the studio more as an instrument…

‘When we play together, we sound like The Loft… There was never any, ‘Oh – how did we get those guitar sounds back in ’84?’

You didn’t feel you needed to use strings and horns, either…

Pete Astor:  No – I love all of those things, but it felt right to play guitar, bass and drums…

Did you co-write any of the songs?

Andy Strickland: Somersaults was co-written, and everything else is 100 percent Pete.

Were all the songs written for the album or did you dip into a pile for any of them?

Pete Astor: I always have songs on the go – some have sat on my computer for 20 years, but most of them haven’t. Sometimes a song doesn’t sound right, but you revisit it 15 years later and you say, ‘It needs to be faster,’ and then it works…

I started The Elephant in 2008 and it was called The Great Grey Plastic Owl. It was about a great grey plastic owl that everyone pretended wasn’t there, but do you know what? The elephant in the room is a bit more to the point, and it took me about 20 years to figure that out.

Let’s talk about some of the songs on the new record. The first single, Dr Clarke, has a mid-’60s Beatles feel – it made me think of Doctor Robert – but it’s also got a Paisley Underground sound, like The Long Ryders…

Pete Astor: It’s based on a real person, but I changed the name to protect the guilty… There was a trauma workshop thing that I went to, and there was a person running it who wore a cowboy hat – it was one of those people who is charismatic and wrong, and slightly scary. The Doctor Robert thing? Fair dos, but it never occurred to me.

Andy Strickland: Or me…

Pete Astor: Shit! It’s Doctor Robert...

Musically, it has that feel…

Pete Astor: Yeah – it does…

‘We took great pleasure not just liking the older indie canon – we liked Creedence, but you weren’t mean to like them, as they were American and pretended they were from the bayou’

When The Loft started out, you were influenced by Television, The Velvet Underground, The Go-Betweens and Orange Juice. I think Ten Years, which is one of my favourite songs on the new album, has a Velvets feel….

Pete Astor: Yeah – that Foggy Notion thing… and a bit of Creedence Clearwater Revival, who were always one of my favourites. We took great pleasure as a band as not just liking the older indie canon – we liked Creedence, but you weren’t mean to like them, as they were American and pretended they were from the bayou. We appreciated other stuff that wasn’t just jingly-jangly like The Left Banke and, I don’t know…

The Byrds…

Pete Astor: Exactly. We didn’t just like The Byrds…

Andy Strickland: Have you seen the documentary of Creedence playing the Royal Albert Hall? It’s fucking amazing! I think it’s on YouTube.

Pete Astor: What I love about that film… I don’t know if we would be as tough as they were… They were used to people in America dancing and partying, but the fucking Albert Hall is like a fridge – nobody moves… But are Creedence freaked out? No – they are on fire.

Andy Strickland: It was their first ever British gig – no sitting in a little indie club…

Pete Astor: I really admire Creedence. Those American bands – and also those in the ‘80s – always learnt to play. It’s that musicianship thing, but growing up with that post-punk thing, I always felt it was really cool not to be able to play guitar well or sing well… It’s kind of cool, but it’s a bit of an obstacle sometimes. Tom Verlaine from Television would practice for eight hours a day, which is why he was quite good at playing guitar… It’s not rocket science.

I think there’s a bit of a Television feel to some of the songs on your new record – tracks like Do The Shut Up, The Elephant and This Machine… It’s the angular guitars and jerky rhythms…

Andy Strickland: Interestingly, you haven’t mentioned the one song that has the ‘Tom Verlaine note’ in it…

Which song is that?

Andy Strickland: Storytime. There’s one note in the solo which is a Tom Verlaine note… (laughs).

Pete Astor: I have no idea which song it comes from, but I know exactly what you mean. Maybe it’s the chord change and the note…

Photo by Joe Shutter

I really like Greensward Days and Somersaults – they stand out on the album, as they sound different from the rest of it. Greensward Days is a lovely, reflective, nostalgic and jangly song about summers and winters that have been and gone, while Somersaults is another of the album’s more subdued moments, with jangly guitars and a touch of melancholy. There are Victorian gates, a seaside town and rain… It feels very English…

Pete Astor: They’re both seaside town songs. I didn’t realise that greensward is specific to bits of Sussex and Essex – in a seaside town, it’s the green grassy bit before going down to the beach. I thought it was a normal phrase… The lyrics of those songs come from a true place but they’re not all exactly true – I’m trying to paint a paint a picture or write a little story…

I love the guitar solo on Somersaults. Did you play that, Andy?

Andy Strickland: Yeah – it’s the bonkers George Harrison one.

The album opens with Feel Good Now. The first line is: ‘I’m bored, I’m bored, looking at the wall…’, which made me smile, as this is your first album in over 40 years, and it starts with you saying you’re bored… 

Pete Astor: (Laughs). I think the idea… There’s a bit in one of my favourite books, The Information by Martin Amis – there’s a character called Richard Tull, who is the world’s most miserable man, and there’s one point where he’s drinking too much and talking about human nature. He says: ‘Do you want to feel good now or tomorrow morning? I’ll feel good now…’ For me, I love the double edge to it.

Andy Strickland: I hadn’t thought of it, but it’s quite a statement to start the record with: ‘I’m bored…’

Pete Astor: It’s nice that it’s not profound – it’s the opposite of a statement…

‘The tour is going to be quite energetic. There will be no Jagger moves, but it’s not mid-paced country rock’

You’re going on tour. Are you looking forward to it?

Pete Astor: Yeah – it’s going to be quite energetic. There will be no Jagger moves, but it’s not mid-paced country rock. I like the fact that it’s going to be quite urgent, which is what somebody said about the album. It’s not a walk in the park.

Andy Strickland: It’s not C, G and F for an hour – it’s quite a workout.

Will you be throwing some shapes?

Pete Astor: Scissor kicks.

So, you’re not planning to break up on stage at the end of the tour?

Pete Astor: Not as such.

Andy Strickland: No.

Pete Astor, Sean Hannam and Andy Strickland – February 2025

Finally, what am I likely to find in your lofts? 

Pete Astor: I haven’t got a loft.

Andy Strickland: I’ve got two lofts! Are you talking about the smaller one or the larger one?

Pete Astor: You’ve got two lofts?

Andy Strickland: When we bought the house, we didn’t know we had a large loft as well as a smaller one… We opened up a door above our bedroom and there was a bigger loft. In the small loft, we have all those household things that you stick away… camping stuff and old chairs… But in the big loft is basically my life in cardboard boxes – records, cassettes, magazines, DVDs and VHS tapes.

Pete Astor: I thought you were going to say it was a painting of four young men in a band…

Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same is out now on Tapete Records.

www.tapeterecords.de

The Loft are currently touring the UK.