‘I don’t think we’re going to be doing this forever – we’re getting long in the tooth…’

The Long Ryders. Left to right: Sid Griffin, Stephen McCarthy and Greg Sowders. Photo by Henry Diltz.

 

Pioneering US band The Long Ryders unknowingly kick-started what become the Americana / alt-country movement when they formed in LA in the early ‘80s.

Part of the Paisley Underground scene – they were contemporaries of R.E.M. – the band split up in 1987, but reformed several times in the Noughties, and, in 2019, released their first album in 32 years – Psychedelic Country Soul.

The follow up, September November, came out in 2023, and included protest rock ‘n’ roll, cowboy country, folk-rock, and psych.

‘High Noon Hymns sees The Long Ryders back in the saddle, with all guns blazing’

Now they’re back with a brand-new record, High Noon Hymns, and, like its predecessor, it was produced by Ed Stasium (The Ramones, Living Colour, Soul Asylum) and made at Kozy Tone Studios in Poway, California – Stasium’s home studio.

With barnstorming, guitar-fuelled, Trump-baiting political anthems like Four Winters Away and Stand A Little Further In The Fire, as well as melodic country rock (World Without Fear and Ramona) and reflective and nostalgic Paisley Underground jangling (Say Goodbye To Crying), High Noon Hymns sees The Long Ryders back in the saddle, with all guns blazing, and feels very much like a companion piece to September November.

Guests on High Noon Hymns include D.J. Bonebrake – from L.A. punk band X – on vibes – and bluegrass prodigy, Wyatt Ellis, on mandolin.

Say It With Garage Flowers spoke to frontman, Sid Griffin, about making the new album, the legacy of The Long Ryders, working with Gene Clark in the ’80s and trying to stay positive in a dark world.

Q&A

The last time we spoke was in 2023, ahead of the release of September November. You told me then that you had five songs left over from the sessions for that record, so did any of those tracks end up on High Noon Hymns?

Sid Griffin: Good memory – four of them did.

Like its predecessor, the new record was produced by Ed Stasium, and recorded at his Kozy Tone Studios in Poway, California. When did you make the new album?

We met and recorded at Ed’s house in July 2025.

What’s your relationship with Ed like? What does he bring to the party?

Well, his musical taste is so much the same [as ours]. You don’t have to explain this or that to Ed. If you get a guy that doesn’t match up, it just doesn’t work sometimes… Stephen Hague was a hot producer in the early ‘80s, and he was assigned to do the first R.E.M. sessions for IRS. It had synthesizers on it…  those tracks have never come out, and the R.E.M. guys said, ‘Nope – they weren’t us…’

Nothing against Hague – he just popped into my head, and he was a talented guy who had hits – but the point is, it was a mismatch – it was the wrong call and it didn’t make any sense. You need someone that speaks your language, and Ed speaks it – in the way that Hague didn’t speak the language of R.E.M.

With Ed, I can make a reference to some old Brill Building girl group classic and, as he’s slightly older than me and a New Yorker, he will know the song. Or I can say something about George Harrison or Neil Finn and he will know what I mean. He’s heard All Things Must Pass, or whatever the hell it is. That’s what you need.

Did you know what kind of album you wanted to make this time around?

It’s a classic Long Ryders thing to have these meetings when we say: ‘Let’s make an album like an electric folk-rock Rubber Soul – that’s the scene and that’s what we’re going to do…’ and then when we get in the studio, we just forget about it. So, the answer is ‘Yes – we decide on a theme and then we ignore it.’ Why? It’s just what happens…

I think High Noon Hymns feels like a companion piece to September November

I agree. Psychedelic Country Soul was our comeback album – we hadn’t made a record in 25 years or whatever, and we made it in Dr. Dre’s studio, which was great – Val Garay owned it, before he sold it to Dr. Dre. It’s the studio where Kim Carnes recorded Bette Davis Eyes.

‘We say, ‘Let’s make an album like an electric folk-rock Rubber Soul,’ then when we get in the studio, we just forget about it’

Our next two albums, September November and the new one, were both recorded in the style of The Basement Tapes, in Ed Stasium’s house. He has a sizeable house in the Greater San Diego area – we moved the sofa to the wall, put the furniture in one or two rooms and just set up on his rugs, with his record collection and his books on the wall around us. It’s an equally good way of recording. In some ways it’s not as good as recording at Dr Dre’s studio in Los Angeles, and in some ways it’s better.

One of the guests on the new album is D.J. Bonebrake, drummer from LA punk band X, who plays vibes. He was also on September November…

Yeah, and he’s also on my solo album, The Journey From Grape To Raisin – there’s a plug for you… D.J. is a brilliant drummer and a fantastic human being – he’s a sweetheart of a guy and very modest – and he plays virtuoso vibes. He could sit in with a modern jazz quartet.

And bluegrass prodigy, Wyatt Ellis, plays mandolin on the new record too…

Yeah. Our drummer, Greg Sowders, is a publishing mogul by day at Warner Chappell Music, in Los Angeles, California. Greg signed Wyatt Ellis to a deal as a songwriter, putting him together with a bunch of guys like Bernie Leadon of The Eagles. So, I said, ‘Look – I’m playing mandolin on this record, but why don’t we have Wyatt Ellis playing on a track?’

He’s young and aggressive, and I’m sure one day we won’t be able to get him – he’ll be a big star. We’re lucky to get him – he’s only 17 or 18, and in a few years, just forget it. He’s going to be like a male Emmylou Harris or Lucinda Williams – he’s going to be huge.

Murry Hammond plays bass on the new album, and so does your guitarist, Stephen McCarthy…

Yeah – Stephen plays a little bass. They wanted me to play the bass, and I said, ‘That’s a mistake – you’ve got two good bass players, why would you want the third best bass player in the room to play?’

Photo by Henry Diltz.

 

The last time we spoke, we talked about your former bass player, Tom Stevens, who died in 2021. You told me that for a while you didn’t know whether The Long Ryders would carry on after his death. How does it feel now five years have passed, and having made two more albums. Are you in a good place and are you glad you carried on?

Yeah, but I don’t think we’re going to be doing this forever. I gotta tell you, we’re getting long in the tooth, and people have responsibilities, with families, and Greg’s career takes up a lot of his time.

We can only rehearse X number of weeks a year… but I think it was wise to crack on. It’s certainly built a legacy up. There’s this guy on X [formerly Twitter] who has a huge following and reports on indie music – I can’t remember his name, but he was saying that of all the ‘80s and ‘90s bands that have got back together, the only one that’s risen to the same standard, or even surpassed the standard of their heyday, is The Long Ryders. That’s great.

There is no one else on that list that’s making records as good or better than they did in their youth, when they got the most media attention. I think we’ve made another good album, but whether we’ll make a fourth, a fifth and a six, I couldn’t say.

I saw you play in London, at 229, in 2024, and you were on fire…

About a year ago, I was walking down the street in my neighbourhood [North London] and these two guys recognised me. We were chatting and they said, ‘Long Ryders at 229 – best gig of the year…’

They were obviously in the record industry – it was the vocabulary and nomenclature that they used. So, I asked them what they did and one of them said he was one of Noel Gallagher’s PAs. I laughed and said: ‘He’s got more than one?’ And the other guy said he was Noel’s guitar tech. I said: ‘What are you guys doing in my neighbourhood?’ They said: ‘Well, Oasis have accepted a reunion tour offer, so they’re rehearsing at Noel’s studio.’

The Long Ryders at 229, in London – 2024. Photo by Sean Hannam.

 

You can walk to it from my house. So, I said, ‘That’s amazing,’ and I told them that Noel Gallagher had said to Steve Lamacq twice that he liked [the Long Ryders song] Looking For Lewis and Clark. They said. ‘We’re gonna tell him that we just saw you.’  And I said, ‘Wow – that’s very flattering.’

Let’s talk about some of the songs on the new record. Four Winters Away was the first single and it’s also the first track on the album. It’s classic Long Ryders – a barnstorming, politically-charged anthem, and the title is a reference to Trump’s term in office… 

Absolutely. It was written for the first album, but we screwed up the recording of it. The first time Stephen and Greg recorded the backing track I wasn’t in the studio and I had to tell them it wasn’t good. So, we dumped it and I thought, ‘well, that’s sad…’ As Biden had won the next battle, I thought it was the end of Donald Trump, but, as loathsome as he is, he’s probably made the greatest political comeback in American history.

So, in summer 2025, I said,  ‘I want to revisit Four Winters Away, as it means a lot to me.’ So, the guys said ‘yeah’, and this time I was in the studio with them, and we got it. I’m pleased to say, I think we were one of the first proper anti-Trump things out there. We’d have been the first if we’d done it the first time. Now Springsteen’s joined in and Billy Bragg. We’re part of the parcel and I’m glad we’ve been swept up in it.

By coming out now, in light of what’s happened in Minneapolis, it feels even more relevant…

Yeah. I knew it was going to come out, and then Renée Good got killed, and then Alex Pretti, and I was thinking, ‘God, this is timely…’

‘I thought it was the end of Donald Trump, but, as loathsome as he is, he’s probably made the greatest political comeback in American history’

How does what’s happening now make you feel when you have to go to America?

I don’t know that I’ll be going back anytime soon, but I want to play there. The last time I was there was about a year ago, when I played with Peter Case. We did a month-long tour in March of 2025, and when I was leaving to fly back to London, I was chatting to the customs guy, who was very friendly – he was a Yank – and he said: ‘Have you got any anti-Trump stuff on your phone?’

I looked at him and said: ‘What did you say? I thought you were supposed to ask guys that when they’re entering – not leaving.’ He nervously laughed, looked around and said: ‘I don’t care…’, but then he shrugged his shoulders and said: ‘When you come back, here’s a word to the wise…’ How scary is that?

World Without Fear, which was written by Stephen McCarthy, is also themed around hope. In the lyric, it says: ‘I dream of a world without fear…’ It feels like it carries on thematically from Four Winters Away

It is part of a theme… I hadn’t really thought about it and made that connection, but you’re right… That was a real fun one to record – that little Brian Wilson bit in the middle… That one’s in the set list – we’re going to be playing it live.

Stand A Little Further In The Fire, which was written by you, is great – another moody, piledriving rock song which mentions Trump, who you call ‘the liar-in-chief…’

Well spotted. The title came from a friend at the gym – there were about eight of us walking somewhere… One of our friends got involved with hard drugs, and somebody said something about him getting clean: ‘No – foolishly, he’s decided to stand a little further in the fire…’ I thought it was a great phrase.

The song Ramona is lighter in tone musically, with a country-rock feel…

Yeah – it’s sort of second album Flying Burrito Brothers. That’s one of our touchstones.

(How How How) How Do You Want To Be Loved? is another lighter moment on the album…

Yeah… I’m one of the few people that didn’t like the Get Back film by The Beatles – I thought it was tedious and so long. You get to see that their rehearsals were as boring as anybody else’s. But I was amazed by the part where McCartney picks up the bass and writes Get Back. So, I thought, ‘I’ll do that…’ and that’s How How How (How) Do You Want To Be Loved?

My wife was pottering around in the background [at home], and I thought: [sings]: ‘How, how, how, how do you want to be loved?’ As pompous and presumptuous as it sounds, that was my attempt to be Paul McCartney. I thought if he could write a song out of thin air, maybe I could.

‘I’m one of the few people that didn’t like the Get Back film by The Beatles – I thought it was tedious and so long’

As the title suggests, A Hymn for the City of Angels, is a song about LA, where you moved to from Kentucky in the ‘70s, to make it as a musician…

Yeah – I got there in October 1977. I told everybody in Kentucky I was going to do it. I said, ‘I’m getting out…’

Very few people, including my parents and a lot of my close friends, thought I was going to do it. People just didn’t do that kind of thing. My parents made me go to university – they said, ‘You go to university, get an undergraduate degree, and it’s your life…’

I graduated on June 1, and spent the summer just goofing around, as young people do, wasting time. And I went to LA – I took 10 or 11 days to drive across the country. It was like a three-day drive, but, on the way, I visited friends in Denver and Texas – I just had the best time all by myself, and when I got to LA, it was just incredible.

I’m trying to write a reminiscence – a kind of autobiography of those early days. I’ve finished two passes, and I’ve got a guy interested in it, but I’ve got to sit down and finish it.

They were very happy times, and I did go to LA, to ‘make it’, as people do. I once had a great conversation with Gina Schock, the drummer from The Go-Go’s, because she drove out from Maryland, and did the same. Obviously she did a lot better than I did, as The Go-Go’s were quite successful commercially.

She loaded up her drums in a car, threw some clothes and her favourite records in there and drove to LA. So, good for her. People go to LA to make it – it’s such a great storybook kind of thing. That’s my kind of cliché – I really did that, and it was life-changing. And, as Dylan wrote in Chronicles, people left Minnesota to go to New York City, and they never came back. I thought that’s me. I love Kentucky very much, but I’m never going back. I’ll never live there again.

Photo by Henry Diltz.

 

Wanted Man In Arkansas from the new record is one of Stephen’s songs…

Yeah – it’s a traditional country thing…

There’s a guy on the run from the law, who robs a liquor store, and shoots the proprietor…

You gotta have one of those [songs]. People like Dave Alvin come up with that kind of material – really solid stuff that’s total Americana.

Let’s talk about your song, A Belief In Birds

That was recorded for September November, but we just didn’t have time to finish it. During the sessions for the new album, I said to Ed: ‘I really liked A Belief In Birds…’ He looked at me and said, ‘So did I. How come it wasn’t on the last record?’ And I said, ‘Well, we didn’t quite finish it…’

He went: ‘I’ve got it here.’ So, he got it up, and he and I listened to it while the other guys were eating or doing whatever they were doing. And he said: ‘What do you want to do?’ And I said, ‘Well, I’d like to do this and that, and finish it…’

So, without checking with the other guys, we started working on it. And then Stephen came in and said, ‘That sounds great,’, and we finished it off, which I’m very pleased about, because it’s just terrific.

In the song, you say how you’re jealous of birds being able to soar and swoop and glide away. Are you a fan of our feathered friends?

Yeah – my friend, Dave Crouch, at Rhino Records, is an ornithologist, and he got me into it. Birds are so free and they’re so incredible… I was reading in a newspaper that there’s some bird that they claim can fly for several hours without having to land and rest. That is just incredible to me. When I think about it, it’s a metaphor for independence and freedom. I thought it was a good idea to write a song about it.

So, you’re influenced by birds and The Byrds…

Yeah, but that song is about our feathered friends, as opposed to McGuinn and company.

Talking of The Byrds, you worked with Gene Clark on The Long Ryders’ 1984 debut album, Native Sons – he sang backing vocals on Ivory Tower. How was that?

He was great, but, because he’s got a cult following now, it’s hard for Europeans to understand that when we called him up to sing on the record, he was so unpopular – he couldn’t get arrested. He did it for $75 –  he didn’t know who we were and he didn’t really care. I know it was $75 because it was my money.

Gene once did an in-store at Aron’s Records on Melrose – the hip retail street in West Hollywood – and one guy showed up. The guy was a friend of mine… I couldn’t go and my friend went and he said no one was there.

Here’s some trivia for you – [David] Crosby was going to sing on September November. He kept saying, ‘I’ll do an overdub’, but we didn’t do it, and then he died.

That’s such a shame. There are more birds mentioned on the song Rain In Your Eyes from the new album – the lyric refers to a sparrow and a songbird…

Yeah… I had a friend who suffered from a depressive episode, and one of the things the doctor told him was to get out of the house in the morning, go for a walk and listen to birds. Even in an urban area at 6am or 7am, the dawn patrol is chirping, and studies have shown it lifts the human spirit and fights depression. I pass that along to your readers.

Say Goodbye To Crying is one of my favourite songs on the record – it’s a reflective ballad and it has a jangly, Paisley Underground feel…

It does – I hadn’t really thought about it, but it’s nice that you got that – the song can be kind of a homage to the Paisley Underground days. They were very happy days – everyone was so supportive, and people lived near each other in the West Hollywood area.

Photo by Henry Diltz.

‘We try not to be a negative band and to set a positive example, as life is grim enough without more darkness’

It’s also a song about trying to stay positive – the album is a pretty hopeful record…

It is. We try not to be a negative band and to set a positive example, as life is grim enough without more darkness, but whatever our definition of positivity is might not be everybody else’s… I find it hard to read the newspaper these days – the news is so bad… It’s the rise of horrible people doing horrible things.

The album ends with your version of Dylan’s Forever Young. Why did you decide to close the record with a cover?

It was our drummer Greg Sowders’s idea – when you see him, you can ask him why. I think it’s a good idea and it’s a good song. We had Wyatt Ellis, the young bluegrass prodigy, play on it. In 10 years, people will be talking about him like they talk about Steve Earle, I promise.

Forever Young, which Dylan wrote for his son, Jesse, is another hopeful song, so High Noon Hymns starts and ends with songs of hope…

That’s a very good point. I’m hoping that we have a reaction to all the bad things in the world, and that we end up with some good days, because right now, wow…

Where did the album title come from?

Stephen McCarthy thought of it – we’re getting on and there’s the whole Western thing, and the high noon of our career. This is sort of it – if we keep recording, sooner or later there’s going to be a downhill slide to it. I’ve hit 70 and I did my first paying gig at 15… You do the math. It was in Kentucky and we got $100, which was huge at that time.

It was more than Gene Clark got paid for singing on Ivory Tower

Yeah…

High Noon Hymns is released on March 13 – CD and double vinyl – via Cherry Red Records

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‘This is the first time we’ve managed to capture the ‘sonic swirl’…’

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

Girl On The Edge Of The World is the third full-length album from KEELEY – the Anglo-Irish indie-rock trio fronted by Dublin-born singer-songwriter and guitarist, Keeley Moss.

Like all of KEELEY’s musical output, it’s inspired by the tragic case of 18-year-old German backpacker, Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in Northern Ireland, in 1988 – no one has ever been charged with her killing.

Produced by Alan Maguire, Girl On The Edge Of The World is a concept album – a sonic travelogue set in the hazy spring days of 1988, in the last week of Hauser’s life, as she was travelling from Germany to Northern Ireland, via the Netherlands, England and Scotland – and it’s also KEELEY’s most expansive record yet, embracing shoegaze, dream pop, psychedelia, electronica, post-punk and indie rock.

Guesting on the record are ’90s indie legends, Miki Berenyi (Lush, Piroshka, Miki Berenyi Trio), and Sice (The Boo Radleys), as well as bassist Lukey Foxtrot and former Morrissey drummer, Andrew Paresi.

In an exclusive interview with Say It With Garage Flowers, Moss tells us about the concept behind the album, shares how and why Hauser’s sad story has affected and inspired her so much, and explains how she’s finally managed to nail the guitar sound she always dreamt of.


Q&A

Let’s talk about the new album – it’s your biggest-sounding record yet. Did you consciously set out to make a more ambitious album, or was it more organic than that?

Keeley Moss: It was more organic – if you trace the progression from our debut mini-album, Drawn To The Flame which came out back in 2022, you can see the arc sonically and in terms of the expansiveness of the sound.

Over the course of our first full-length album, which was Floating Above Everything Else, in 2023, and then Beautiful Mysterious, our second album, in 2024, and then the new album, it’s been a very logical and natural progression.

One of the good things is that for an indie artist like me, who is staunchly independently minded, I would find it anathema to have that age-old scenario of a record label trying to impose restrictions or clamp down on my vision.

The fact that there is no longer that degree of corporate interference in the modern world is very much a positive thing, and because everything takes so much longer now than it used to, you can develop without being jolted by overnight success. Overnight success is no longer possible – it’s a very steady, painstaking and patient climb.

‘I would find it anathema to have that age-old scenario of a record label trying to impose restrictions or clamp down on my vision’

That instantaneous rise or catapulting to prominence, fame or wider recognition overnight, simply just doesn’t happen anymore. Although there are negatives to that, one of the positives is that you can build your musical world pretty much unbothered and undisturbed by outside forces, because there isn’t too much of a vested interest from anyone other than those that are within our team, and who are very much on board with what we’re trying to achieve.

So, yeah – it [the bigger sound of the new album] was definitely something that came about naturally. I characterise it as being like this: anyone who liked our first album will love our second album, and anyone who loved our second album will, hopefully, adore our third album, because it is very much a natural development or continuation of what we’ve been about.

KEELEY: Lukey Foxtrot, Keeley Moss and Andrew Paresi: photo by Elias Fragotsis.

In the press material for the new album, it says that this is the first time you’ve managed to capture the sound that was in your head on record. Can you elaborate on that?

Well, what I meant by that is that this is the first time we’ve managed to capture the ‘sonic swirl’ – that’s a particular word that I use to describe specific guitar sounds.

There’s a sound that I’ve captured on this record, in conjunction with our producer, Alan, who helped me to realise that goal. There’s a particular guitar sound that I’ve been chasing for years, and I finally captured it and managed to record it on this album.

You’ll hear it on the first track on the record, which is Hungry For The Prize, and you’ll hear it on a song called Fell In Love With A Ghost, which is track 10.

You’ll also hear it on the title track, Girl On The Edge Of The World – it’s where you get this very atmospheric, swirling, kind of cavernous guitar tone. It’s a sound I love and when I finally captured it, it was a real eureka moment in the studio.

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

You mentioned Hungry For The Prize, which opens the album. There’s a line in that song which says: ‘My magpie eyes are hungry for the prize.’ Being an indie geek, I recognised the lyric from a song by The Loft called Up The Hill and Down The Slope, and it’s also the title of David Cavanagh’s book on the history of Creation Records…

You’re spot on – it’s a knowing nod to the late, great David Cavanagh. That book, The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry For The Prize, is the best book on the music biz I’ve ever read – it’s my Bible. It’s absolutely riveting, and, until I read that book, I wasn’t aware of the song Up The Hill and Down The Slope.

It was the perfect title [for the book] because obviously the Creation Records story is very much one of aspiration and hunger, and a drive and the will to succeed and to create an amazing stable [of acts] and an amazing indie label that would be able to go to battle with the corporate behemoths.

It’s about having indie values and making records which would stand the test of time, which those great Creation records obviously do. If anyone hasn’t read that book, I would urge them to. It’s for anyone who’s a fan of any of those great Creation bands, from Primal Scream to Oasis, My Bloody Valentine, Super Furry Animals, Teenage Fanclub, The House of Love… It covers the entire arc of Creation’s lifespan.

Like all your other records, the new album was inspired by the tragic death of 18-year-old German backpacker, Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in Northern Ireland, in 1988. How did you first become interested in her story?

I’ve always had a deep interest in true crime, ever since I was a child. I’d read a brief passing reference to Inga in a book by an Irish crime correspondent and crime author called Barry Cummins, back in the 2000s.

He said she had been abducted or gone missing after a ferry journey from Stranraer to Larne, and it just kind of piqued my interest, but not enough to delve deeply… I remember thinking, ‘That’s curious, because those are two places that you don’t really hear spoken about’ – they’re not like New York or London. They are two places that there’s not an awful lot of media stories emanating from.

Many years after that, I was reading a book called Missing, Presumed, which was written by a guy called Alan Bailey, who had been in the Garda Síochána [police force in the Republic of Ireland]. He was the national coordinator for a think tank called Operation Trace, which was devised to investigate potential links between six specific missing persons cases involving young women in the county of Leinster in the 1990s – from 1993 up to ’98.

Inga Maria Hauser – photo: PA Media

Over the course of that investigation, the remit was widened to include other cases which may or not have been connected – to try and establish if there were links with other cases from prior to that time. Criminal profilers were enlisted by Operation Trace to make suggestions, and one of those suggestions was to have a look at the case of Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in 1988.

It predated the think tank by five years and was outside of the geographical area – Inga’s abduction and murder had taken place in County Antrim – but it did involve a reinvestigation of her case, as part of Operation Trace.

After the national coordinator had retired and after Operation Trace was wound up, he wrote a book about his career. Towards the back of the book was a short chapter on Inga’s case, and, after reading about her story, it was like an arrow into my brain… There was a sudden and striking uprising within me that I couldn’t shake loose.

I was working in a library at the time, and I would get up in the morning and think about Inga’s story on my way to work. It was also on my mind throughout the day and after I finished my shift.

So, after a number of weeks, I tried to find an outlet for that energy and that fixation. I decided I would try and write a blog because I’d looked online to try and learn more about Inga, but there was very little about her – just the bare facts of the case. Who was she? Why had she been in such unusual locations?

‘Reading about Inga’s story was like an arrow into my brain…There was a sudden and striking uprising within me that I couldn’t shake loose’

I realised that in order to write about it properly, I was going to have to research it in depth, which I did for four months. And then I wrote part one of what became The Keeley Chronicles, which was a blog that I founded. I posted it online, and to my amazement, it went viral.

I didn’t even think it was a possibility, and I wasn’t ready for the impact that it would have, in terms of me being inundated with emails and inquiries from all across Europe, particularly Northern Ireland. That was what alerted me to the fact that there was a huge groundswell of interest in her case that had never come to fruition.

I felt even more impassioned about trying to help to make a positive difference in her case, because I just felt a real spiritual kinship with her. I didn’t know her personally, but it was a very curious thing. I then spent the next few years becoming more deeply involved in her case, and trying to find a way to assist the enquiry in any way I could, whilst at the same time being aware that I was coming at it from a very unusual place – I’m not a police office or a detective, I’m an indie-rock musician from Dublin.

I was quite naive about what I was getting into – especially in a place like Northern Ireland, which is a very complex environment. That added another layer of intensity and intrigue, which has gone into the songwriting. If you’re a songwriter, you write about what you’re most passionate about, and what you’re most intrigued by, or most interested in, and because her story and her life was on my mind so much, it was inevitable that that was going to seep into my songwriting.

Keeley Moss – photograph by Chris Hogge

‘I’m not a police office or a detective, I’m an indie-rock musician from Dublin’

What I didn’t expect was that it was going to become my songwriting, and that here we are now and she is still all I’ve written about for the last 10 years, which is kind of unprecedented in musical terms.  

It’s like every album you’ve made is a concept album…

Exactly, and I like that. Concept albums were something that rose to prominence in the 1970s with the advent of progressive rock. I love the notion of a concept album – the thought of it being more than just a collection of songs but having a thematic link throughout. It means something more than just a selection of tunes.

Our last album, Beautiful Mysterious, was very much a concept album. The first two records we made, Drawn To The Flame and Floating Above Everything Else, are conceptual and all the songs are about aspects of Inga’s life, but there isn’t a linear arc to those, like there is with the new one and the previous one.

‘With this record, I’m sitting you on a rickety and clattering British Rail train, in the spring of 1988, and you’re seeing the grime-laden window pane…’

It’s a story that I just have to tell, and it’s coming from a pure place – no one in their right mind would sit down and go, ‘I know what I’m going to do. I’m going to make an album that deals with this very specific, unusual story and takes the listener all the way back to the spring of 1988…’

It’s something that is so unlike the kind of records that other people are making and have made, but there’s just something about that timeframe that I love, and I find it very emotional –  trying to take the listener on a journey, so they can see the world through Inga’s eyes. That’s what I’m doing with this record –  I’m sitting you on a rickety and clattering British Rail train, in the spring of 1988, and you’re seeing the grime-laden window pane…

All those real elements are there. It’s not a pristine window and you’re not seeing some untouchable, distant and unrecognisable land like San Francisco. You often get songwriters lapsing into Americanisms… You won’t find one Americanism on any of our records –  it’s just not part of my lyrical landscape.

There are no boulevards…

Exactly.

Never mind the boulevards…

(Laughs).

The first song on the album, Hungry For The Prize, recounts the journey that Inga takes – from Germany to the Netherlands and then England. I think it captures that excitement and sense of discovery – how she’s setting out on an adventure, during her Easter college break. The album is a travelogue – how easy was it to map out that journey, write the songs and make it work in a linear fashion?

I love that you’ve asked me that because for me it’s one of the central features of the record – not just the story of it but also the story of my life over the past 10 years. It’s about trying to get as close as I can to bringing the listener and the reader of The Keeley Chronicles blog to the reality of where Inga was, what she saw, what she felt and how much those moments meant to her.

It was the last week of her life, and it was the best week of her life, if you can rely on her own diary extracts and her postcards home. It was just something I found so emotional – there she was, very much in the spring of her life, and it actually was springtime – but she was also blossoming as a person.

‘I was able to take the listener on a journey in tribute to Inga, and to try and preserve the purity of her original mission’

She was 18 years old, she was on the cusp of her entire adult life, and all the beauty and the idealism that went along with that – the joy and brightness she experienced on that week away, and then the absolute contrast with the darkness that she would encounter when she arrived in Northern Ireland. It’s such a striking dichotomy.

I was something that I got a better understanding of when I retraced her steps, back in 2018. I had four days off between my work shifts, and I had to go over to London anyway, so I bought myself a rail pass and I mapped out her journey. I learned so much during that experience – the full story of what happened on my retracing of her steps is discussed in the blog, between parts 21 and parts 34.

Keeley Moss following in Inga Maria Hauser’s footsteps – picture courtesy of The Keeley Chronicles blog

It gave me an insight I wouldn’t have otherwise had before I set out on that journey. I said to myself that I could read about her encounters to a certain degree, but that there was no substitute for actual lived experiences and having that empirical knowledge – what it was like to navigate that landscape and to do those journeys, on those trains and over those bridges, travelling from London to Cambridge, to Oxford and through England to Inverness, Stranraer and Larne.

While I was retracing her steps, what really stood out for me was that how little had changed in the places that she had been, over the course of 30 years. I was seeing as close to what she had seen, and that gave me an insight to be able to make the records in a more vivid and authentic way – I was able to take the listener on a journey in tribute to her, and to try and preserve the purity of her original mission.

Yes – the album is very cinematic, and in the lyrics you use a lot of imagery, like trains and places, as well as extracts from Inga’s diary and postcards.

Miki Berenyi Trio: picture by Abbey Raymonde.

 

We should talk about some of the guest musicians on the album. As well as your rhythm section, Lukey Foxtrot and Andrew Paresi, playing bass and drums, respectively, you’ve got Miki Berenyi (Lush, Piroshka, Miki Berenyi Trio) and Sice (The Boo Radleys) singing on it. I know you’ve been a support act for The Boo Radleys and the Miki Berenyi Trio, and you’re a fan of both bands…

Getting to know them has been lovely, and touring with them has been amazing as well. When I first got into music in the ’90s, I would’ve heard The Boo Radleys before Lush… The first Boo Radleys record I heard was Wake Up, Boo! which I still think is one of the best pop songs of the past 30 years.

They’ve almost disowned it now..

I know – it’s a real shame. That record has oddly been mischaracterised as a sort of ditty… but there’s such a lovely melancholy to it: ‘Summer’s gone /days spent with the grass and sun…’

It definitely has a dark undercurrent, but the song got hijacked by breakfast radio shows… 

I know it did. Musically, when it comes out of the middle eight with that clanging guitar tone… It’s great – it’s almost as if there’s an album’s worth of ideas in that one track. That’s the great thing about the Boos and Super Furry Animals – they were just crammed with ideas. You don’t get that so much nowadays.

I became a huge fan of the Boos and I got into Lush in the early 2000s, after they’d split up for the first time. Miki is a dear friend and I’m so proud to have her on the record. She’s got such a distinctive singing voice, and what she’s done on the track that she sings on… Anyone who loves Lush and shoegaze will hopefully bask in the beauty of what she’s managed to create, and in what Sice has managed to add to our track. Those two songs – Trains and Daydreams and Big Brown Eyes – are earmarked to be future singles, so hopefully they’ll get more focus. 

Trains and Daydreams is one of my favourite songs on the album – it has some great psychedelic, jangly guitar on it… 

Yeah – when I wrote it, there was a kind of lingering melancholy to it and we’ve managed to emphasise that in the recording. It was so lovely to have Sice on it. I met him for the first time at a gig in Dublin, and we just instantly clicked – he’s such a lovely fellow.

The Boo Radleys

 

The Boos were so lovely to us – they took us on the road with them. I feel so honoured to have had the opportunity to support not only The Boo Radleys and the Miki Berenyi Trio, but also Echobelly, Terrorvision, The Primitives, Northside… There are lots of bands that have taken us under their wing, and it’s been amazing. Their audiences have been really receptive to us.

The last few songs on the new album reflect on what’s happened since Inga died. Fell In Love With A Ghost is about trying to find the answers to what went on and The Movie of Our Yesterdays is more personal  it deals with how you feel about singing about Inga:‘I sing to you alone, knowing we can never meet, knowing you can never know…’

If Inga was still alive, what do you think she would think about what you’ve done for her? I know that sounds strange because you wouldn’t have written about her if she hadn’t have been murdered, but you know what I mean…

It’s a really interesting viewpoint: what would she make of it all? I’ve asked myself that question so many times. I hope she’d be flattered, and I think she’d be surprised. When you embark on a project of this nature, which simply hasn’t been attempted before… It’s one thing to write a song about someone and their life, but it’s another thing to write an album about them, and it’s another thing altogether to write an entire discography.

Given that there are very few, or comparatively few, examples of Inga’s writings, and evidence of the life that she left behind, it’s quite an undertaking to be able to find new angles to write about her over the course of what is effectively now four albums. I’ve managed to do that somehow, but, with this new album, in particular, what I love about it more than anything else is that it focuses on the aspect of the story that has always been the most interesting for me, right from day one – and that is the time when she was most alive, which was the last week of her life.

‘It’s one thing to write a song about someone and their life, but it’s another thing altogether to write an entire discography about them’

It’s probably the ultimate tribute to her, in that it’s a record that is primarily concerned with with her as a living being and as a life force, and where she was…  In my own small way, I can create for her…. Those who killed her, and those who have continued to defy the efforts of the authorities to bring them to justice, can’t take that away from her –  it’s a measure of something that they haven’t been been able to erase.

If Inga came back… it’s such an interesting thing. I’ve asked myself that question,  and I love that you’ve brought it up in the interview, and that you’ve been so thoughtful to ponder it. What would she think of it,  if she could come back? I’m kind of fascinated by the idea. I’d love to be able to show her the albums that she had inspired, and I’d be so intrigued to see what she would make of it. I can never know and I can never show her…

The last song on the record, Daydreams and Trains, is especially poignant because it’s set after Inga has died, and the world is carrying on without her. You sing: ‘The train left on time /Without you inside/The world you left behind/But I can’t leave you behind…’ That song feels very much like a companion piece to The Movie of Our Yesterdays...

Exactly, and I felt it was the perfect way to round off the record. There’s Trains and Daydreams earlier on the album, and then there’s Daydreams and Trains. When I wrote those two songs, I felt they should either bookend the record or certainly be on the same album.

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

 

Daydreams and Trains is the reason why the story must go on, and why I haven’t been able to let go of it. It was only after I’d recorded the song that I felt it was missing something, so I got in touch with our producer, Alan, and said: ‘I have an idea for a coda  I’ll come into the studio… Trust me…’

‘What would Inga make of it all? I’ve asked myself that question so many times. I hope she’d be flattered, and I think she’d be surprised’

That’s one of the great things about Alan  he trusts my judgement and I trust his. We’ve got a great working relationship. When I went [back] into the studio, that coda just gave the song a very uplifting and spiritual denouement: ‘Girl on the edge of the world/A shooting star evaporates.’  It’s almost like a sonic shooting star to take the record into another dimension.

 

So, have you got your ‘sonic swirl’ guitar effects pedals sorted for when you go out on tour this year?

I have. I’ve managed to build the perfect beast. Is that an album title by Don Henley? It’s something that I liken to trying to build the perfect array of effects pedals it’s trying to get it calibrated so there’s just the right element of this and a pinch of that… I’m always chasing my dream soundscapes… I’ve got a sweet array of sounds and I’ll be deploying them to maximum effect on our tour.

Although none of them will sound like Don Henley… 

No definitely not, although, saying that, The Boys of Summer is an absolute tune.

Girl On The Edge of the World is released on February 20 via Definitive Gaze.

KEELEY play the following headline dates across the UK in support of the new album:

Wed Feb 18: LONDON LVLS, Hackney Wick

Thurs Feb 19: COVENTRY, Tin Music & Arts

Fri Feb 20:BRISTOL, Exchange (Basement)

Sat Feb 21: BOURNEMOUTH, The Bear Cave

Wed Feb 25: BRIGHTON, The Rossi Bar

Fri Feb 27: HUDDERSFIELD, Amped

Sat Feb 28: GLASGOW, Hug & Pint

Sun Mar 1: NEWCASTLE, Cluny 2

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