‘A lot of people will think, “Oh – it’s a single by the bloke who plays guitar in The Loft…” and they’ll have an idea of what that might sound like, so I didn’t want to disappoint them’

Andy Strickland – don’t get him started…

 

It’s been a busy time for reformed ’80s indie-janglers The Loft. In 2025, they released their well-received debut album Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, more than 40 years after splitting up, and this year, they followed it up with another critically-acclaimed long-player, Badges.

Now they’re taking a well-deserved break to pursue other projects, and first out of the gate (or should that be up the hill and down the slope?) is guitarist Andy Strickland (The Caretaker Race, The Chesterfields), with his debut solo single, ‘Don’t Get Me Started’ – a classic piece of jangly and infectious, organ-laced, Pretenders-style guitar pop. 

Released this month (November 6, on Precious Recordings of London), as a 7in vinyl single, with the jaunty, brass-led  ‘Have-A-Go Henry’ on the B-side, the song was produced by Sean Read (Dexys, The Hanging Stars) and features Alan Gregg from The Mutton Birds and Polite Company on bass, Rob Parry (The Chesterfields) on drums, and Read on keys. 

In an exclusive interview, Strickland, who lives on the Isle of Wight, which is where the video for the single was filmed, tells Say It With Garage Flowers about writing and recording his debut solo material and being inspired by Belle and Sebastian. He also reveals what’s likely to get him started…

Q&A

Let’s talk about your debut solo single, ‘Don’t Get Me Started.’ You co-wrote half of Badges, the album by The Loft which came out earlier this year, and on the band’s 2025 album Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, you co-wrote the track ‘Somersaults.’ So, did co-writing songs for The Loft give you more confidence to write some solo material?

Andy Strickland: Definitely. As you say, I did one co-write on that first Loft album, which was a bit Machiavellian [of me]. I’m not having a go at Pete [Astor – The Loft frontman], but he’d originally said, ‘Oh no – they need to be my songs…’, and then I sent him my idea for ‘Somersaults’ in amongst a load of other guitar things I was working on for his songs, just to see if he noticed. He rang me back the next day and said, ‘Fuck, I can’t stop singing that bloody tune you sent over. I think we should do something with that.’

So, that was good, but then when we finished touring that Loft album, Pete and I had loads of ideas between us, so, he came down to mine and we spent four or five days writing seven or eight songs between us, and it just worked really well.

So, that gave me confidence to keep doing it, and it exercised my songwriting muscle. I do believe that the more you do it, the better you get at it. So, I just carried on, and I had these other things that were knocking about, and so, after The Loft stopped touring, I thought, ‘Well, if I don’t do it now, I’m never going to do it.’

So, I booked a week at Sean Read’s place [Famous Times, in Hackney] and thought, ‘Well, that’s it now; I’ve got to finish some of these songs.’ We ended up doing three and chose a couple of them for the single.

‘When I wrote ‘Don’t Get Me Started’, I thought, “Oh, does that sound too much like ‘Back on the Chain Gang?” But it’s alright, I’ve got away with it’

‘Don’t Get Me Started’ has that classic jangly pop guitar sound that you’ve embraced throughout your music career, and it’s a song about the ups and downs of being in a relationship…

Yeah – the frustrations and the compromises… Having to sometimes zip your lip… The guitar sound is the stuff I really like doing, and I suppose it was an obvious thing for me to do really. I imagine a lot of people will think, ‘Oh – it’s a single by the bloke who plays guitar in The Loft…’ and they’ll have an idea of what that might sound like, so I didn’t want to disappoint them too much.

I think it has the feel of The Pretenders…

Definitely. When I wrote it, I thought, ‘Oh, does that sound too much like Back on the Chain Gang’ or something?’ But I then thought, ‘No, it’s alright, I’ve got away with it.’

Playing with you on the single you’ve got Alan Gregg from The Mutton Birds and Polite Company on bass, Rob Parry on drums and Sean Read on keys…

Yeah. I didn’t want to get Loft people involved, because I wanted it to be separate, but Alan was playing with The Loft on tour, and we were chatting in the van on the way to a gig, and I said, ‘Oh, yeah – I’ve booked a few days at Sean’s and I don’t know who I’m going to get…’

Alan said, ‘If you need a bass player, I’d love to do it.’ I was delighted because I was originally thinking I would have to do it myself. Rob played drums in The Chesterfields when I was in them.

The Chesterfields at The Black Sheep Bar, Ryde, Isle of Wight – Sept 2022. Andy Strickland is on the left.
Photo: Sean Hannam

 

Recording at Sean’s was fun, but it was a really hot week… It was in the middle of July, when the World Cup was on, and London was scorching. It can get a bit warm in Sean’s place during a heatwave. I’ve booked another session there in January – it won’t be shorts weather then…

The B-side of the single, ‘Have-A-Go Henry’, is jaunty and brassy – Sean, who is in Dexys, plays trumpet and sax on it…

Yeah – I wrote it as a bit of a nod to Belle and Sebastian, who we [The Loft] played with at the Royal Albert Hall, in April.

I listened to quite a lot of their stuff, and I watched how Stuart [Murdoch] plays rhythm guitar – he’s got a particular way of playing. So, I sort of wrote a song based on my impression of them and how he played the guitar, and that’s how it came out.

When I was writing the song, it was obvious that it needed brass, and so I wrote the brass parts for Sean to play, and he tweaked them a bit. I had this idea of where they would be and what they would do for the song. I wasn’t sure whether he’d be up for doing it or not, because one of the lines is very Dexys, and I thought he might go, ‘Oh, I don’t know about that…’ but he was great and he was up for it, so it was excellent. It was good fun.

Lyrically, ‘Have-A-Go Henry’ is partly about a young guy trying to impress a girl he likes – it deals with adolescence and teenage emotions…

Definitely. I think it’s a little bit of a nod to some of the early Belle and Sebastian stuff, or an old Madness song… It’s supposed to be about an old man writing a song about a teenage relationship… It’s a bit weird, but I think it worked.

Andy Strickland. Photo: Embracing Unique with Laura Holme

How was it playing the Royal Albert Hall with Belle and Sebastian?

It was incredibly exciting – a bit of a dream come true. I’ve watched so many gigs on videos and DVDs of people playing the Albert Hall and thought, ‘Bloody hell – that must be nice; imagine doing that…’

So, to get asked to do it… Everyone there was so professional and so supportive, as you would imagine. There was none of that, ‘You’re only the support band…’ We had our own little crew, and it was great.

Would you like to make a solo album?

Yeah, I would – if there’s interest. Well, these days you can do it anyway… but in terms of putting out some kind of vinyl… I’ll probably see if people like the single… The early signs are good. I’d like to do something because I think some of the songs that I’ve got in my back pocket are as good as, if not better than, these. It would be good to put a band together and do a few shows next year.

As a man known for his jangly ‘80s guitar sound, how did you feel about Johnny Marr auctioning off his guitars earlier this year?

I was a bit sad that I didn’t get up to London to have a look at them – that must’ve been nice… When you get to that sort of level, people give you stuff, don’t they, so you must end up with loads of them. I’ve got more guitars than I should have, so Johnny Marr must have had warehouses full of them.

There were some lovely guitars – they’re things of beauty, like classic cars, that you just like being around. Well done to Johnny for having a clear out and giving a load of money to charity. Good man.

‘I’ve got more guitars than I should have, so Johnny Marr must have had warehouses full of them’

As we’re coming up to the end of the year, what new music from 2026 have you been enjoying?

I’m an old man, so my memory’s not good when I think about what I was listening to six months ago, but recently I was listening to the new British Birds album [Murmurate, Oscillate], which is good. It’s got lots of different stuff on it – some of it sounds like XTC and some of it sounds like pop music.

I saw Mary in the Junkyard on telly a few weeks ago and I thought they were great. I’m always trying to find new stuff and to not just go back and listen to the same old things.

So, finally, as your solo single is called ‘Don’t Get Me Started’, what’s most likely to get you started these days?

Well, funnily enough, it’s band related… It’s the way some people approach being in a band. We’re not grumpy old bastards, but you know, sometimes you see people in [other] bands that you’re playing with, and they’ve got 300 pedals and they’re only playing for 20 mins… So, bringing along huge amounts of equipment for no reason, or wearing sunglasses on stage indoors, in a small venue.

One of the worst ones is support bands who come into the dressing room and put all their stuff on the seating, so there’s nowhere to sit down. If you’re in a band and you put all your coats and your guitars and your guitar cases on all the chairs, and there’s nowhere for me to sit down, I can get a bit cross. There should be a little handbook on it.

You could bring one out with the single…

Or I could put it on a T-shirt.

Yes, as a list printed on the back…

After this interview, I’ll get on to Nick Godfrey [who runs the label, Precious Recordings of London] to rush some out.

‘Don’t Get Me Started’ is released as a 7in single on November 6 via Precious Recordings of London.

‘I was very unhappy at the end of Lush – I wanted to leave, but I did want to carry on doing music. It was a way of coping…’

Sing-Sing (Emma Anderson and Lisa O’Neill) – photo by Brian David Stevens.

This month sees the rerelease of The Joy of Sing-Sing – the 2001 debut album by indie, dream-pop and electronica duo Sing-Sing, comprising former Lush guitarist, Emma Anderson, and singer Lisa O’Neill. 

Released on the band’s own Aerial Records, the new version of the album – 2CD or single LP – has been remastered by Kevin Vanbergen (Lush, Pixies, Radiohead) and has new artwork by acclaimed designer Chris Bigg, who is celebrated for his long creative partnership with 4AD graphic artist, Vaughan Oliver. 

Working with electronic music producer, Mark Van Hoen, Anderson and O’Neill crafted a colourful, quirky, off-kilter and atmospheric record – rather than revisiting the shoegaze of Lush, The Joy of Sing-Sing mixes classic ’60s pop with elements of trip-hop and electronica to create a distinctive and cinematic sound. 

It’s fair to say that the record went under the radar when it came out, but now, 25 years later, it’s ripe for rediscovery, and will hopefully attract a new fanbase thanks to the reissue.

In an exclusive interview, Anderson tells Say It With Garage Flowers how Sing-Sing came together, shares her memories of writing and recording their debut album, and gives us the lowdown on some of her recent musical collaborations. 

“My whole time in music has been a bit of an unknown. There’s never been a masterplan, it’s always been, ‘Let’s see what happens,'” she says.

Q&A

So, it’s 25 years since The Joy of Sing-Sing first came out. Does it feel that long?

Emma Anderson: The other day, something came up on my Instagram that was about what kids did 20 years ago… It was all very rudimentary – emails and texting, with little phones and MSN… It’s weird for me because 2000 sort of melds into one… Maybe it’s because I’m older… I’m 59. I think with the advent of email and the Internet and mobile phones, in my head all of that is one big kind of chunk of time. It’s 25 years since 2001 – God, that’s quarter of a century – but in my head, it’s all like now. Does that make sense?

I know what you mean. I think the ‘90s are more easily defined by different musical genres and eras than the Noughties, like Britpop, grunge or trip-hop, whereas the Noughties feels more nebulous.

What are your memories of Sing-Sing coming together? Lush split in 1998, following the death of drummer, Chris Acland, in 1996, so what kind of place were you in at the time? It must’ve been a dark and distressing period in your life…

Well, Lush finished in ’96, really. People say ’98 because that’s when we put an announcement in the press, but Lush finished when Chris died. As some people know, I was very unhappy at the end of Lush – I wanted to leave, but I did want to carry on doing music. It was a way of coping, and it was something to focus on.

I was single, and the scary thing was knowing that I’d probably have to get a proper job at some point. I probably knew that Sing-Sing wouldn’t be a professional band like Lush, with all the touring and stuff… To be honest, it was a bit of an unknown… I think my whole time in music has been a bit like that… There’s never been a masterplan, it’s always been, ‘Let’s see what happens…’

Technically, I was still signed to 4AD [after Lush broke up], so I wrote some songs and they paid for me to do some demos – one of them is on CD2 of the reissue – but Ivo [Watts-Russell, 4AD founder] didn’t like them. Lush was Lush, and I think 4AD wanted the band rather than an individual.

‘My whole time in music has been a bit of an unknown. There’s never been a masterplan, it’s always been, ‘Let’s see what happens…’’

The end of the ‘90s was a weird time as well. Britpop was a bit stale by then… I was looking back when I was doing the Sing-Sing archive stuff – I cut things [from magazines] out, but Lisa had kept copies of the NME, Melody Maker and Select. I was going through them and was like, ‘What was going on in ‘98-’99?’ It was all a bit nothingy… There was a bit of trip-hop and a bit of grunge.

It was a funny time – a bit unsettled. After all the heavy spending by major labels in the ‘90s, it was all starting to crumble. There were all these bands that the majors had signed because they thought they were going to be the next big Britpop thing, but it didn’t come to anything. I suppose I just thought, ‘Well, I’ll just keep going and see what happens…’

So, I did some demos, and Ivo wasn’t keen, so I parted company with 4AD, and then I met Lisa… It was funny meeting her because it happened in three ways.

She was going out with a guy who lived in the same flat as a guy I was seeing at the time – it was a short-term relationship…

So, I first met Lisa at this flat in Camden, but we didn’t speak… I can remember that she just sat there watching the telly and she had these mad shoes on… I thought, ‘She looks good…’

And then a friend of mine called Bunny Schendler, who is an animator, worked with Lisa at an animation company called Bermuda Shorts, and said: ‘There’s this girl at work who is a singer and she’s looking to do something… blah-blah-blah.’ It turned out to be Lisa, who I’d met in the flat.

And then there was another thing… John Best, who was in PR [Savage & Best], gave me a tape of Morning Light by Locust [aka Mark Van Hoen], and he said that Mark was looking to collaborate with someone at some point. It was a bit vague, but it turned out that Lisa had sung on one of the tracks – the extra track on the Japanese version… So, there were three connections, which made me think that it was somehow meant to be.

You liked the Locust album, Morning Light, didn’t you?

It’s good – totally up my strasse. It’s not a secret, but towards the end of Lush, I wasn’t particularly happy with some of how we were going musically. I was much more into the electronic / trip-hop thing, like Air and Portishead, and I think that comes out… There’s a song on Lovelife [1996 Lush album] called ‘Last Night’, which is my favourite song on the album. I thought that working with an electronic producer could be different.

Sing-Sing – photo by Charlie Pritchard-Williams.

Did you and Lisa have similar musical influences?

She’s seven years younger than me, so there was a bit of a knowledge gap… She was more into dance music and dance culture, and she used to go to DJ nights… It was quite a cool scene. Sometimes I’d go along and feel a little bit out of place, but it was a nice change from being in a four-piece band and in a rehearsal room. Me, Mark and Lisa would sit around a computer and try out ideas, which was a bit different.

‘Towards the end of Lush, I wasn’t particularly happy with some of how we were going musically. I was much more into the electronic / trip-hop thing, like Air and Portishead’

Did you write songs together for Sing-Sing?

It was more collaborative than I’d previously been used to. A couple of the songs that I did as demos for 4AD did make the cut.

Lisa could play keyboards and guitar a little bit, but – and I’m sure she won’t mind me saying this – she needed some help with chords, so Mark and I helped her with that. Mark was great to work with – he wrote some basslines and keyboard parts. I can’t really play the keyboard.

Lisa would write a backing vocal for one of my songs, and I would try something for one of hers. It’s easier when you’re sitting around a computer because you can just say, ‘delete that…’ or ‘try this…’ It was quite an eye-opener for me.

I guess you were very conscious of wanting to do something that didn’t sound like Lush too…

Yeah – I didn’t want to form another four-piece. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I wanted to do something a bit different.

Where did you record the Sing-Sing songs?

We recorded all the basics in Mark’s studio, which was in The Fortress. It was a rehearsal room, in East London, and it was legendary. Primal Scream would have parties there – it was infamous.

Mark had a little room in there, which he rented – he called it Pravda, which means ‘truth’ in Russian. We put a single out on Bella Union that was recorded and mixed by Mark in his studio, and then we got signed to Sanctuary Records.

‘We recorded in Mark’s studio, which was in The Fortress, in East London, and it was legendary. Primal Scream would have parties there – it was infamous’

It wasn’t the coolest label, but they said they would give us a deal and that we could have our own imprint, which was Aerial Records.

Sanctuary had a bit of money, but we still made the bulk of the album in Mark’s little room, but in the Sanctuary building there was a studio called Nomis, which we used.

We recorded some live drums there and Poppy [Gonzalez] playing keyboards. We got in a Hammond organ with a Leslie cabinet, and we recorded some strings there. The album was mixed at Nomis by a guy called Dave Burnham, who I’d never heard of before and haven’t heard of since. What happened to him? He was a really good mixer.

The album ended up coming out on Alan McGee’s Poptones label. How did that happen?

So, we made the album with Sanctuary, and they put out [the singles] ‘I’ll Be’ and ‘Feels Like Summer’, and then they bought a company called Castle Communications. They then said they didn’t need us anymore because they became a catalogue label mainly. They let us take the album – it was mixed and sounded great – so, I went to McGee and he said he’d put it out.

We went from pillar to post with labels. It was a weird time. I even had people saying to me, ‘You’re a bit old now, Emma – you’re over 30, and you were in Lush… You’re a bit of a ‘90s has-been.’

Honestly, that was the way I was viewed at the time. It’s quite weird to think about that now, but I was not in a very good position. I was older, I’d been in a band, and people were looking for 19-year-olds. It was also when The Strokes and The White Stripes were coming out.

‘I had people saying to me, ‘You’re a bit old now, Emma – you’re over 30, and you were in Lush…You’re a bit of a ‘90s has-been’

So, 25 years later, The Joy of Sing-Sing has been reissued on Aerial Records…

Yes – Aerial became a proper label by the time the second Sing-Sing album [Sing-Sing and I] came out. That was self-released – it wasn’t on an imprint on someone else’s label. We’ve resurrected it as a proper label with distribution and all the rest of it.

Does The Joy of Sing-Sing feel like a lost album? Did it go under the radar at the time?

I think it did get a bit lost. Poptones was putting out so many records… It got a couple of reviews, and we played a few gigs, but it was just a bit weird. It was a very different time. I do think it’s a good record.

Hopefully, thanks to the reissue, some people will discover it and hear it for the first time. Did it come out on vinyl back in the day?

It came out in America in 2002, on a label called Manifesto, and they did a vinyl run of it, but in the UK, it was on CD. We had a MySpace page and a website, which Lisa designed, and we had a mailing list.

Let’s talk about some of the songs on the album. It opens with ‘Everything’, which has a lullaby feel and is haunting, otherworldly and dream-like. It’s quite a low-key way to start the record, but then we get ‘Tegan’, which is a trance-like banger…

Yeah, in hindsight, ‘Everything’ was a weird one to start with… and then ‘Tegan’ comes in, and it’s a bit in-yer-face…

‘The album got a bit lost. It got a couple of reviews, and we played a few gigs, but it was just a bit weird. It was a very different time. I do think it’s a good record.’

‘Tegan’ has weird synth sounds, fuzzy bass and psychedelic backwards guitar. It’s very hypnotic…

Oh God, we used some samples on the record, which was a nightmare. Sanctuary’s legal department were very hot – they said we had to declare any samples. I think we took a couple out, but there was one [on ‘Tegan’] that was important for the whole track, as it was built on it.

It was from ‘A Man, A Horse and a Gun’ by Geoff Love and his Orchestra. It was a Spaghetti Western thing… We got clearance for that and the sample on ‘Feels Like Summer’, which was from ‘Mony Mony’ by Tommy James and the Shondells.

There was another one on ‘I’ll Be…’ Lisa had an Enid Blyton record of someone narrating The Twins at St. Clare’s, with a funny little keyboard on it, but we couldn’t find out who played it, so we asked the estate of Enid Blyton [for permission].

‘Feels Like Summer’ is one of my favourite songs on the album. It has a groovy ‘60s pop feel and, like a lot of the album, is cinematic. Is that one of your songs?

Yeah – it might’ve been one of the 4A demos… I think it was.

‘Far Away From Love’ is another one of my favourite tracks – more cinematic pop, but with an Easy Listening feel, thanks to the brass and the ‘60s-sounding, summery ‘bah-bah-bah’ backing vocals…

Yeah – I always have a song like that on my records. There’s ‘Lit Up’ on [Lush album] Split, and ‘Clusters’, which was on Pearlies [solo album.] They’re slightly jazzy and ‘60s.

‘Panda Eyes’ is quite psychedelic and spacey…

The lyrics are about living on another planet, and having been out on the moon the night before… You’re in space, and you wake up with your makeup still on, and you’re hungover.

‘Underage’ was written as a tribute to Chris Acland, wasn’t it?

It was. What can I say?

It’s one of the more reflective moments on the album…

Yes – it’s 30 years this month since Chris died, and it’s kind of coming back into focus.

‘The lyrics are about living on another planet, and having been out on the moon the night before… You’re in space, and you wake up with your makeup still on, and you’re hungover’

The new version of the album has been remastered by Kevin Vanbergen, who’s worked on the Lush reissues…

Yes – that’s how I met him, and he lives up the road from me. He’s a very nice guy and he’s good with catalogue stuff – we remastered The Joy of Sing-Sing from the original tapes.

Let’s talk about some more recent projects. You released your debut solo album, Pearlies, in 2023, and since then you’ve worked with Steve Queralt from Ride on his solo album, Swallow – you sang on the songs ‘Lonely Town’ and ‘Swiss Air.’ What else have you been up to?

Two other things I collaborated on recently were a joint 7in single with Masal called ‘Pause the Rain’, which is on Sonic Cathedral, and I sang on an album called In A Strange Place by Stefano Guzzetti, which is very much in the This Mortal Coil-type vein. I did a Steve Miller Band track called ‘Love’s Riddle.’

How did the Masal collaboration come about?

I met Oz [Özlem Şimşek – harp, theremin, vocals] from Masal at a John Grant gig in Bexhill, in January 2025, and we just clicked and started messaging. I had liked what I had heard of them up to that point – especially what they had created with Andy Bell – and I love the harp as an instrument anyway. I had never worked with a harpist before, so that was exciting for me.

‘I’m very flattered when people ask me to sing with them, as I was never confident before’

I then heard from Al [Alastair Johnson – electronics and synths in Masal] and they just suggested we do a track together. So, I said ‘yes’. I’m very flattered when people ask me to sing with them, as I was never confident before.

Al used to be an electronic artist in the late ‘90s/early Noughties, going under the name of Alien, so that is the kind of direction we pursued – a little more dancey and upbeat than a lot of the stuff they have done together before, and it was great.

They sent me the track, and I wrote the melody and lyrics, and I also suggested some structural changes. I went to Al’s house in Leigh-On-Sea last summer, on a very hot day, to record and had a very nice time. They are lovely people and very easy to work with. It came out very well.

What can you tell us about working with Stefano Guzzetti?

We followed each other on Instagram and started messaging. I think it’s fairly evident that he is quite a big 4AD fan, and he was very familiar with Lush, so he asked me if I would like to sing on the record, which was already well underway, with various other artists having already completed their vocal recordings.

I said ‘yes’ and he asked me which song I would like to do – there were a couple of options; one was ‘Lullaby’ by The Cure and the other was ‘Love’s Riddle’ by The Steve Miller Band.

I wasn’t that familiar with The Steve Miller Band – I’d always just associated them, and him, with ‘Abracadabra’, which came out in the 80s and wasn’t really my thing. But he told me that Ivo, who is a good friend of his and was very much behind the record, had chosen it for someone to do, so, apart from it being a lovely song from the late ‘60s, that was the one I went for, as it gave me a connection to Ivo and This Mortal Coil, as this record is very much channelling that.

Heidi Berry is on the track too…

Heidi, who used to be on 4AD and Creation before that, and who is now a music teacher/lecturer, is an old friend, and she also lives in Hastings, which is where I am.

She has been really great with me and my transition from a backing vocalist to a lead vocalist and she has a little home studio setup, so I asked her if she would record the vocals for the song and she said ‘yes’. She ended up doing some herself too, which was great, so we are both on the track. I think it’s worked out well.

The 25th anniversary version of The Joy of Sing-Sing is released on October 23 (Aerial Records).

  • There is a 2CD deluxe edition, featuring the remastered album, plus a bonus disc of B-sides, demos, rare recordings, and a previously unreleased Spanish acoustic radio session. 
  • There is also a single LP remastered edition on transparent yellow vinyl, and a limited Dinked Archive Edition on transparent orange vinyl, including an obi strip, signed insert and bonus CD.
  • The album has been newly remastered by Kevin Vanbergen (Lush, Pixies, Radiohead) and features brand-new artwork by Chris Bigg.

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