Good Grief, it’s the best albums of 2024!

2024 was the toughest year for me as a freelance journalist since I started working for myself six years ago – difficult market conditions saw me lose a lot of regular business – but, on the upside, it meant I had more time to concentrate on my blog, which turned 15 this summer.

Next year, Say It With Garage Flowers can legally drink beer, wine or cider with a meal in a restaurant, providing it’s accompanied by an adult. Maybe I’ll take it out to celebrate…. Or I might just spend a night in a dark corner of a pub on my own, listening to music and supping a Guinness…

So, what were some of my sonic highlights of 2024? Well, my favourite album was Good Grief by singer-songwriter, guitarist and producer, Bernard Butler, who I had the pleasure of interviewing twice this year – once for the website Superdeluxeedition, and once for my blog.

His first solo album in 25 years, it was the record I kept going back to most this year – a very personal, intimate, honest and reflective collection of songs, which, lyrically, tackled subjects including his religious upbringing and Catholic guilt, his teenage years when he was dreaming of a life in music, anxiety, the companionship of solitude, and, how as a young man, he was often shamed for showing his emotions.

‘My favourite album of 2024 was Good Grief  by singer-songwriter, guitarist and producer, Bernard Butler, who I had the pleasure of interviewing twice this year’

I’m surprised that Good Grief hasn’t featured in more end of year Best Of lists – I get the feeling that, sadly, it slipped under the radar.

I’ve been championing it since I first heard an advance review copy early this year, and I’m hoping it will be one of those word-of-mouth albums that people pick up on in 2025 and beyond. From talking to those who’ve heard it, I know they, like me, have fallen in love with it.

Look out for another Bernard Butler project in early 2025 – the debut album from Butler, Blake and Grant, a collaboration with Scottish singer-songwriters Norman Blake (Teenage Fanclub) and James Grant (Love and Money). I’ve heard the record and, rest assured, it will be on my Best of the Year list come the end of 2025…

Another singer-songwriter, guitarist and producer who released a great album this year was Richard Hawley – In This City They Call You Love was one of the best records he’s made in a solo career that’s lasted nearly 25 years.

It was largely a return to the sound of vintage Hawley. Heavy Rain was a beautiful, late-night melancholy ballad with strings, and Prism In Jeans recalled early Elvis and pre-Beatles, British rock ‘n’ roll, but there were also a few surprises, including soulful, gospel-doo-wop (Deep Waters), and Easy Listening bossa nova (Do I Really Need To Know?).

The country song, Hear That Lonesome Whistle Blow, had echoes of Johnny Cash and Hank Williams, and Deep Space – the heaviest song on the record –  was an upbeat, crunching rocker that tackled the need for some peace and quiet – time and space – but also reflected on eco and social issues.

‘In This City They Call You Love was one of the best records Richard Hawley’s made in a solo career that’s lasted nearly 25 years’

When I interviewed Hawley this year, he told me: “I’ve made three albums where I had the title before I’d even begun to record – where I had an agenda. One was Truelove’s Gutter. Another was Standing At The Sky’s Edge, when I wanted to turn everything up and make the music a lot more aggressive, and then this one.

“I wanted it to be multi-coloured in a way… focusing on the voice and what voices can do together… I deliberately only played a handful of guitar solos to keep it focused on voices, the song and space…” 

Lots of the albums I liked this year were by singer-songwriters – one of my favourites was Please Go Wild by Polite Company, the new project from London-based Alan Gregg (The Mutton Birds, Marshmallow).

It was a lovingly and brilliantly crafted record of melodic, wry and observational power-pop songs with a melancholy undercurrent.

 

Reminiscent of Fountains of Wayne and Squeeze at times, Gregg has a knack of composing a killer tune, as well as penning clever and amusing lyrical couplets.

Like Bernard Butler’s Good Grief, it’s another album that passed a lot of people by, but I feel like it will find a lot more fans in the not-too-distant future. Here’s hoping – I had it on repeat this year… 

On the Americana front, I enjoyed Wayfarer Beware – the new album from Reichenbach Falls, which is essentially singer-songwriter, Abe Davies, who is of Canadian descent but was raised in England.

‘These cinematic, autobiographical and atmospheric songs recounted the breakup of a couple between upstate New York and rural Scotland over the course of a single autumn and winter’

On his third studio album, he was joined by Jonathan Anderson, a producer and multi-instrumentalist who’s based in the greater Vancouver area at his studio, Protection Island.

Davies, who has also been part of the Oxford music scene, lives in a remote area of Scotland, and has a small recording set-up at home, where he demoed the songs, which started out as just acoustic guitar and vocal tracks.

The tracks were then sent to Anderson, who worked his magic on them, creating inventive and inspired arrangements, adding instrumentation, including electric and acoustic guitar, piano, vintage synths, drums, pedal steel, organ and Mellotron.

These cinematic, autobiographical and atmospheric songs, which often feature references to snow, woods, rivers, trains and Christmas, recounted the breakup of a couple between upstate New York and rural Scotland over the course of a single autumn and winter.

Sticking with Americana, On A Golden Shore by London’s cosmic-country kings, The Hanging Stars, was another highlight of 2024.

Baggy, Balearic, pan pipes and a Renaissance instrument called the crumhorn could all be heard on the record.

“We had to trust ourselves a little bit more and we threw the rulebook out the window – sonically, there’s all kinds of shit going on!” frontman and singer-songwriter, Richard Olson, told me when I spoke to him earlier this year.

Unlike its predecessor, Hollow Heart, which, because of the Covid lockdown, meant the band had more time to prep the songs before going into the studio, this time around saw The Hanging Stars develop the tracks during the recording sessions.

“This was much more of a studio album,” said Olson, adding: “We had to trust ourselves a little bit more – we had to trust in The Hanging Stars – and, for me, this record defines that.”

The shimmering, exotic and blissed-out Golden Shore had bongos, a funky bassline, synth, and pan pipes from Will Summers of the psychedelic folk/prog rock band Circulus, but with Sweet Light, we were in more familiar territory – infectious and jangly sunshine guitar pop with melancholy undertones and some Tom Petty-style country rock thrown in for good measure. It had that classic Hanging Stars sound.

Americana singer-songwriter, Peter Bruntnell, turned in one of his best albums this year – Houdini and the Sucker Punch.

After 2021’s stripped-back, pandemic-era Journey To The Sun, which was surprisingly inspired by Eno and Bowie’s more electronic and experimental moments – it even had vintage synths on it – his new record was made with a full band, and it was a return to Bruntnell’s Americana roots, but with nods to classic British bands including The Smiths and The Beatles, as well as US acts like The Byrds and Pavement / Stephen Malkmus.

The superb title track, which opened the album, was classic Bruntnell – irresistible and melodic alt-country with a plaintive undercurrent, while the jangly The Flying Monk had guitars firmly on ‘Johnny Marr setting’, while Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump was soaked in Revolver-era psych, Mellotron and Fab Four vocal harmonies.

Guitar gunslinger, James Walbourne (The Pretenders, The Rails and His Lordship), fired off some ace twanging on the playful and galloping Wild West adventure that was Yellow Gold, while things were taken down a notch with the yearning ballad, Sharks, which had a lovely melancholy feel thanks to Laura Anstee’s mournful cello. 

A lot of new soul music was on my turntable this year – UK singer-songwriter and guitarist, PM Warson, impressed with his latest effort, A Little More Time, which also turned to ‘60s pop sounds for its influences and inspirations. 

 

“That’s always been there, but on this record I let the wider influences just come in a little bit,” he said, talking to Say It With Garage Flowers.

There was still plenty of blues and R ‘n’B on the album, though, but, as he explained: “It’s a lot more straight up, with some really wild electric guitar playing – those tracks are a lot rawer, alongside some more polished, songwriting-led productions.” 

San Francisco-based singer-songwriter, keyboard player, recording engineer and producer Kelly Finnigan’s latest solo album, A Lover Was Born, was another soul record that I enjoyed in 2024.

In the past few years he’s made two albums with his retro-soul band Monophonics, a mixtape, his 2019 debut solo long-player, The Tales People Tell, and a Christmas album, plus he’s found the time to produce other artists – The Ironsides, Alanna Royale and The Sextones.

A Lover Was Born was easily up there with his previous releases when it came to classy songwriting and rich, cinematic production, and it was inspired by the likes of Isaac Hayes and Curtis Mayfield, Chicago soul and Muscle Shoals, as well as Northern Soul and early hip-hop.

To make the new album, Finnigan assembled a crack team of musicians, including Max and Joe Ramey (The Ironsides), Jimmy James (Parlor Greens), Sergio Rios (Say She She / Orgone), Joey Crispiano (Dap Kings) and Jay Mumford (J-Zone).

“I wanted to make a record that felt like the next natural step after my first solo record in 2019,” he told me.

“A lot can happen in four or five years, and that was the case for me. I experienced some big valleys and peaks during the last few years, and I wanted to wear that on my sleeve.

‘A Lover Was Born was a very diverse record – musically and mood-wise: there were a lot of different vibes, from tender soul to funky and upbeat Northern Soul and some darker and moodier moments’

“The main goal of all my records is that they have a ‘vibe’ – they have character, and they feel engaging. That’s how I like my music, and I’m always pleasing my ears first and foremost. I want them to feel honest and relatable.”

A Lover Was Born was a very diverse record – musically and mood-wise: there were a lot of different vibes, from tender soul to funky and upbeat Northern Soul and some darker and moodier moments.

“At the heart of every good album are good songs,” said Finnigan. “I love these songs and the stories they tell. They really speak to who I am. All my records, including those with Monophonics, feel personal, and this one is no different. I wanted it to sound raw and emotive. Performance-driven is maybe the right way to describe it. It has a sense of freedom musically, all while still maintaining a lot of discipline and focus.”

October this year saw the release of a great new live album by ’60s soul legend, P.P. Arnold, Live In Liverpool.

It was recorded in 2019 at Grand Central Hall, on the tour for her album The New Adventures of… P.P. Arnold, which she made with Steve Cradock (Paul Weller and Ocean Colour Scene guitarist) at the helm.

It featured versions of her hit singles, The First Cut Is The Deepest and Angel Of The Morning, as well as songs from 2017’s The Turning Tide and The New Adventures of… P.P. Arnold, which followed two years later.

Other tracks on Live In Liverpool included I Believe and Hold On To Your Dreams, which were both co-written with her son, musician Kojo Samuel, as well as Weller’s Shoot The Dove, covers of The Beatles’ Eleanor Rigby and The Beach Boys’ God Only Knows, and Magic Hour by Cradock.

‘Early next year, P.P. Arnold’s career will be celebrated with a new 57-track, 3-CD box set, Soul Survivor – A Life In Song, which will include rarities and unreleased material’

Arnold, who turned 78 this year, was born in L.A, and was one of Ike & Tina Turner’s singing and dancing troupe, The Ikettes, before she moved to Britain in 1966, where she launched a solo career that’s lasted almost 60 years.

She’s worked with acts including Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart, The Small Faces, Eric Clapton, Nick Drake, Barry Gibb, Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters, Primal Scream, Ocean Colour Scene and Paul Weller.

Early next year, her career will be celebrated with a new 57-track, 3-CD box set, Soul Survivor – A Life In Song, which will include rarities and unreleased material.

Speaking to me this year, she said: “I just want to do as much as I can while I can, and if it’s possible to move onwards and upwards, instead of going round in circles, that’s what I want to be doing. I want people to know that I’m still out here, fighting the good fight.”

That sounds like the perfect note to end on – a positive message with which to finish this year and see in 2025. 

All the best for the new year and here are all my favourite albums of 2024, along with a Spotify playlist of one song from each record, availability permitting at the time of writing, Ian Whitmore’s album, Among The Living, isn’t on Spotify.

Say It With Garage Flowers: Best Albums of 2024

  1. Bernard Butler – Good Grief
  2. Richard Hawley In This City They Call You Love
  3. Peter Bruntnell – Houdini and the Sucker Punch
  4. Pet Shop Boys – Nonetheless
  5. Polite Company – Please Go Wild
  6. Paul Weller – 66
  7. The Hanging Stars – On A Golden Shore
  8. The Pernice Brothers – Who Will You Believe?
  9. Michael Head and the Red Elastic Band –Loophole
  10. The The Ensoulment
  11. Camera Obscura – Look to the East, Look to the West
  12. Cinerama Va Va Voom 25 
  13. The Cure – Songs of a Lost World
  14. Reichenbach Falls – Wayfarer Beware
  15. Best Western Youth
  16. PM Warson – A Little More Time
  17. Kelly Finnigan – A Lover Was Born
  18. Primal Scream – Come Ahead
  19. P.P. Arnold – Live In Liverpool
  20. Patrick Duff – Another Word For Rose
  21. Oisin Leech – Cold Sea
  22. Fontaines D.C. Romance
  23. Philip Parfitt – Dark Light
  24. John Murry and Michael Timmins – A little bit of Grace and Decay
  25. John Bramwell The Light Fantastic
  26. Ian Skelly – Lotus and the Butterfly 
  27. Bill Ryder-Jones Iechyd Da
  28. Beth Gibbons – Lives Outgrown
  29. Steve Drizos – i love you now leave me alone
  30. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds Wild God
  31. Gold Star – How To Shoot The Moon
  32. Nadine Shah – Filthy Underneath
  33. Ride – Interplay
  34. Fairground Attraction – Beautiful Happening
  35. Gruff Rhys – Sadness Sets Me Free
  36. Danny & The Champions of the World – You Are Not A Stranger Here
  37. His Lordship – His Lordship
  38. Cast – Love Is The Call
  39. Nick Piunti and the Complicated Men – Up and Out of It
  40. Nick Gamer – Oregoner
  41. Wesley Fuller – All Fuller, No Filler
  42. Kevin Robertson – The Call of the Sea
  43. MG Boulter – Days of Shaking
  44. My Glass World – Assorted Marvels
  45. The Jesus and Mary Chain – Glasgow Eyes
  46. Ultrasonic Grand Prix – Instafuzz
  47. Isobel Campbell – Bow to Love
  48. The Raveonettes The Raveonettes Sing… 
  49. The Psych Fi’s – Can Con
  50. Paul Molloy – The Madmen of Apocalypso
  51. M. Butterfly The Lonesome Country Sounds of M.Butterfly, Vol. 1 & 2
  52. The Blow Monkeys – Together / Alone
  53. Liam Gallagher & John Squire – Liam Gallagher John Squire
  54. Kitty Liv – Easy Tiger
  55. Dee C Lee – Just Something
  56. Nick Power and Mark McKowski Throat
  57. Humanist – On The Edge of a Lost and Lonely World
  58. Andrew Gabbard – Ramble and Rave On!
  59. The Junipers – Imaginary Friends
  60. Parlor Greens – In Green We Dream
  61. Galvezton – Some Kind of Love (A Tribute to the Velvet Underground)
  62. Ian Whitmore – Among The Living

‘I don’t really want to record on my own. I would love to be in a room with some people, and hear the music come alive’

 

Bernard Butler – photograph by Bella Keery

 

In 2022, I spoke to singer-songwriter, guitarist, producer and former Suede member, Bernard Butler, for a hi-fi magazine article on the re-recording and reissue of his 1998 debut album, People Move On, which included new vocals and extra guitar parts.

He told me he’d been going into a London rehearsal room for 18 months with an electric guitar and a microphone, revisiting some of his old songs, and then writing some new ones, with the intention of finally putting out a long-awaited follow up to his last solo album – 1999’s Friends and Lovers.

So, that record, Good Grief, came out this year and it’s my favourite album of 2024 – a very personal, intimate, honest and reflective collection of songs, which, lyrically, tackled subjects including his religious upbringing and Catholic guilt, his teenage years when he was dreaming of a life in music, anxiety, the companionship of solitude, and, how as a young man, he was often shamed for showing his emotions.

Butler, who has worked with acts including Duffy, Pet Shop Boys, Sharleen Spiteri, The Libertines, Tricky, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Ben Watt, Sam Lee and Jessie Buckley, produced the album, and played a lot of the instruments: guitars, drums, bass, piano and violin.

‘Good Grief is my favourite album of 2024 – a personal, intimate, honest and reflective collection of songs’

He was joined by a small amount of guest musicians, including long-time associate Sally Herbert on violin, who arranged the strings, cellist Ian Burdge, and violinist Jo O’Keefe.

First single, the cinematic mini-epic Camber Sands, with mariachi horns, piano and violin, was a soundtrack to jumping in your car and escaping from London to be beside the sea: ‘We’ll get away from this town where the pavement’s stained – it’s the backstreet of your heart that’s clogging up your veins…’

Deep Emotions had a gorgeous, folky, Bert Jansch-like acoustic guitar intro – Butler was a friend of Jansch’s and collaborated with him – but then slipped into rock-soul territory, with a big chorus, finger clicks, soaring strings and a superb, liquid, ‘70s-sounding electric guitar solo.

There was more lush orchestration on the wintry and moody London Snow, which was partly inspired by the city of London becoming a ghost town during Covid, and The Forty Foot had some wonderful, spiralling acoustic guitar patterns and startling electric playing.

Not all of the songs on Good Grief  were new –  Clean, a sparse, bluesy ballad that was written with Edwyn Collins, first appeared as a B-side in 2001, but Butler re-recorded it for the album.

Final song, The Wind, was a beautiful, stripped-back, country-tinged track, with opening lines penned by singer and actress, Jessie Buckley, with whom Butler made the 2022, Mercury Prize-nominated album, For All Our Days That Tear The Heart.

I spoke to Butler in late 2024, a few days after he’d played a superb show in London’s Lafayette, to tell him I’d made Good Grief my album of the year, and I also found out about life on the road as a solo artist, asked him to choose his favourite album from this year, and got the lowdown on his next record, a collaboration with Scottish singer-songwriters Norman Blake (Teenage Fanclub) and James Grant (Love and Money), which is released in March 2025, under the name Butler, Blake and Grant.

Q&A

Good Grief  is my favourite album of 2024. It’s the record I kept going back to most this year.

Bernard Butler: Thank you.

When I interviewed you earlier this year, for the website Superdeluxeedition, the album was just about to come out. Were you pleased with the reaction to it? It was your first solo record in 25 years…

Bernard Butler: I’ve probably taken for granted the way that it’s gone because I’ve been so busy this year. When I last spoke to you, it wasn’t so much how the record would be received, but [more] how I would be received for doing it.

I wasn’t worried about the songs, but whether people wanted me to do something or would accept me doing it – particularly as I was making a solo record for the first time in a long time and performing.

Roll the clock forward and the past six months have been a bit of a blur… I think I’ve done 61 shows this year. I felt that by the time I got to London the other night [November 2, Lafayette], I was flying and it was very natural. I don’t doubt myself – I’m not insecure, and I feel like I’m in a place where people are there because they want to be there… Probably the best way of looking at it is that I’m keener to get on with the next one now and make a mark in the road rather than just make a start.

You’ve toured all over the UK and in Europe this year. How was it?

Bernard Butler: It was gruelling because I do everything on my own – I drive myself to the shows and I do the setting up and the packing down, and I meet everyone afterwards, and do the merch. You find yourself driving off to find a hotel at midnight, parking and then checking in… I’m that weird person… ‘You’re checking in now?’ ‘Yes – I’m checking in now and I don’t need to know the hotel facilities, apart from the wi-fi…’

Bernard Butler at Lafayette, London, Nov 2, 2024 – picture by Sean Hannam

‘Being po-faced and over-earnest isn’t me, so if I was on stage trying to be a serious artist and enigmatic, it wouldn’t be natural’

I’ve been up and down the M1 a million times – that’s the overriding feeling. It’s tiring, but, at the same time, I feel like musically it’s made me better – more fluent and confident with what I’m doing. As a musician, you want to be in a position where you’re always learning – the more you do something, the more you learn. When you get to show 20 or whatever, you feel like you’re in a free space…

I like your in-between songs patter… You make me laugh. Do you think a lot of people expect you to be a lot more po-faced, or over-earnest on stage?

Bernard Butler: Yeah – I’m aware of that… Down the years, you get to know what people think of you, vaguely, and so you get to a point where you can get to address that a little bit… I don’t have to try and address it, as I’m just being myself. Being po-faced and over-earnest isn’t me, so if I was on stage trying to be a serious artist and enigmatic, it wouldn’t be natural.

I think there’s enough emotional and drawn-out drama in my music to cover me when I’m playing the songs. In-between the songs, it’s a nice contrast, and I like talking to people and disarming them… I don’t like silence, like when I have to play churches and everyone’s super-quiet and reverent – it’s a bit restrictive.

Most of the time it’s just me on stage… I don’t have a band, so I’ve got no one to turn around and talk to… I come off stage and go into the dressing room… I can’t say, ‘Hey, guys – how was that?’, as there’s no one there… So, in a way, when I talk to people from the stage, it’s just a bit of a conversation for me and I make a bit of a joke, or tell a few stories about the songs – I think people like that kind of stuff.

Photograph by Bella Keery

 

I’m very aware – there’s no secret about this – of the perception of me from where I came from… Suede, basically, and that situation, and everything that was written about me around that time, and is still written about me in the shadow of that narrative… It’s a narrative that I have no control over – it’s written in stone, and I cannot say anything about it… It’s a very difficult situation for me in one sense, but, on the other side, I just think, ‘OK – I have a little space every night where I can address that in my own way…’ Not by going on about that situation, but by saying, ‘Hey you lot – you probably think of me as this person, but I’m just going to give you exactly who I am…’

So, if people go away thinking, ‘I thought he was going to be this shy, cynical arsehole, who’s wrapped up in himself, because I’ve read that, but I’ve actually had a fun night…’ It’s the only space I’ve got available to do that…

When I saw you play at Lafayette in London, you were joined by a great double bass player called Caimin Gilmore…. 

Bernard Butler: I met him when I was doing the Jessie [Buckley] record. We went to Ireland to do The Late Late Show  and I was put in touch with some Irish musicians – I only met him two hours before the show… We did a quick rehearsal, did the show, and went out and had a few beers… He did some other shows with me around that time – he’s an amazing musician.

I did a Bert Jansch tribute show last year at the Royal Festival Hall, and I got Caimin over to play a couple of songs with me – it was kind of testing the water, and I really enjoyed it.

Caimin Gilmore and Bernard Butler at Lafayette, London: Nov 2 2024. Picture by Sean Hannam

‘Something that thrills me about my shows, and that I hope people pick up on, is that I’m not running a laptop or playing the songs exactly as they are on the record. A lot of it is improvisation on the spot’

It’s interesting that you mentioned Bert Jansch, because when Caimin played with you, it reminded me of John Martyn and Danny Thompson, or Pentangle… That improvised, folk-jazz thing…

Bernard Butler: A lot of my shows are improvised, but the reason I wanted Caimin up there was to have another person who could also improvise – he could go against me, and I could spar with him. Something that thrills me about my shows, and that I hope people pick up on, is that I’m not running a laptop or playing the songs exactly as they are on the record. A lot of it is improvisation on the spot.

You have to know your shit to do that in-front of people, night after night. It’s a really thrilling part of this episode in my career – every solo I ever do is improv.

Photograph by Bella Keery

 

With Caimin, everyone always talks about Danny Thompson… It’s a fair call, but he’s also very different to that, and he’s very good as using his instrument to get almost special effects – what he does with a bow is amazing.

With Caimin, there’s a bit of an opening… a beginning of where I go next… I made a lot of this record [Good Grief] on my own – almost all the instruments… It always ends up like that – not by my choice… I just start writing something and recording it, and if it sounds good, I just keep it, but my dream is to be in a room with people. I don’t really want to record on my own – it’s a very painstaking process and very long-winded. I would love to be in a room, just standing with some people, and hear the music come alive. I want to take a bit of the weight off my shoulders. With the next stage of what I do, I really want a bit of help… (laughs). I feel like I’ve earned it.

You are known as a producer, as well as a guitarist and singer-songwriter. Would you like to work with a producer?

Bernard Butler: I’d love it. People probably don’t expect me to say that, but I would. I’ve produced many records for people and myself – I’ve done it and I’ve learnt all those skills. I don’t need to prove anything, but I’ve love to sit with somebody else and let go of the reins. I don’t know if that will happen next time… maybe I’ll try something. I’ve no idea how that would come about… Part of that is the cost – everything in my business has got to be economical now. It’s so hard to earn a living… Having Caimin is the first step…

Earlier this year, you released an EP on digital and vinyl – Live At The Green Note, which featured six songs from Good Grief

Bernard Butler: I wanted something out in time for the tour, so people could go to a show and bring something home. For most artists, merch is their petrol home or their Travelodge, or it pays their bills, and, because of streaming, I feel if people go to a show they enjoy, they want to take a souvenir home…. I’ve got a feeling that a lot people who buy my records don’t have a record player, but they’re still beautiful things to have – we’ve gone to a lot of effort, as we always have done, to create good artwork.

When you leave a show, hopefully feeling good, then you might want to take something home to remind you of it. Before streaming, you could go home and put the record on the next morning, because you wanted to hear it again, but now you don’t have that thing to hold in your hand… Also, because of the way I’ve been playing the songs from Good Grief all year, I thought it was nice to have a version of that… a little record.

I like the live version of Clean, which has a snatch of you singing Temptation by New Order… 

Bernard Butler: Whenever I do that live, no one ever mentions it! I’m just doing it for me and you, Sean.

Is Temptation a favourite song of yours?

Bernard Butler: Of course. I’m a huge New Order fan and I always have been. My brother used to be a king bootlegger in the ’80s. He used to go to New Order shows with a Walkman under his raincoat, record everything and bring it home. New Order, The Smiths, The Cure… acts from that era. That’s pretty much how I learnt to play guitar.

‘I buy a few records every year – a handful of things that I like and I know I’m going to return to’

Temptation is an odd song… It’s one of the best New Order songs, but, for me, it’s never had a definitive recording. They did two versions in 1982, which are the best ones, but they’re really dirty and not technically up to scratch. It was redone for Substance in 1986, but I don’t like that version at all.

You mentioned buying vinyl earlier… Do you buy a lot of records? Are you a crate digger?

Bernard Butler: I don’t go out every weekend, like I would’ve done, but I buy a few every year – a handful of things that I like and I know I’m going to return to.

So, what new vinyl albums have you bought this year?

Bernard Butler: I’ve bought the Bill Ryder-Jones record, which I really love, Beth Gibbons, and the Weller album, which was good – things that are beautifully made and that I know I want to find next year, not lose in the cocoon of streaming. I can just pick them up again…

Have you got a favourite album of 2024?

Bernard Butler: Probably Bill Ryder-Jones… I’ve been listening to him for a long time, but haven’t always thought it completely hits the mark, but he’s one of those people who’s giving you nods all the time that he’s a talented fucker. With this record, I felt it just hits it, over and over again. I’m blown away by it – it’s really beautiful and I love his approach to vocals and the playfulness of the instrumentation.

Butler, Blake and Grant: (left to right: Norman Blake, Bernard Butler and James Grant)

 

So, in March next year, you’re releasing an album by Butler, Blake and Grant – your project with Scottish singer-songwriters Norman Blake and James Grant, which started off with you playing some shows together. How did that collaboration come about?

Bernard Butler: Two or three years ago, Norman and James were going to do a Celtic Connections show, and a friend of mine suggested that I should do it with them. I knew Norman from years back, but I didn’t know James at all. It was a deliberate thing to put three songwriters together and do a songwriters circle thing to experiment…

We did it once, it was a good laugh and really easy – we just got up there and joined in with each other, and it went down really well. So we did another, and then we ended up doing a tour and it’s snowballed.  All the time we were just playing the songs that we had already, but it was James’s idea to do some writing. I was a bit reticent because it worked with us just doing it for a bit of a laugh, but then we did it… We went up to Norman’s to hang out for a couple of days and see what would happen. It really worked – there was no set way of doing it – we just sat around in armchairs playing, and James said, ‘I’ve got this tune…’ and he started playing a song, and we joined in and started working it out together.

‘I always write for a purpose – I never have songs stockpiled, but I keep notes and ideas for lyrics’

I asked Norman if he had any recording gear and he did, so we got out some mics and set them up in Norman’s living room we had no headphones or isolation. There was no studio set up – just three microphones plugged into a computer. We said we would record everything we did – just press record and leave it… We did a song by James and one of Norman’s, then I wrote something really quickly, overnight (laughs). 

James Grant, Norman Blake and Bernard Butler

The two of them are super-talented James has got loads of songs, and Norman has little bits here and there, and he has to pull them together, but I always write for a purpose – I never have songs stockpiled, but I keep notes and ideas for lyrics. I write down thoughts and things people say or things that I hear, so when I want to write, I have a resource to go to. I don’t ever sit and finish a song, type it out and leave it for weeks…

So, from the first session, we each came up with a song, and we recorded them just us singing and playing guitars. I took the recordings back to London and had a little fiddle with them and added a few things – a bit of percussion, or whatever, and said, ‘Guys – this is good, it’s a record…’ So we did another couple of sessions and did a song each and that’s how the album’s come about. It was a real joy.

How is it being the only English guy in the band? It’s like a twist on the old joke: an Englishman, a Scotsman and a Scotsman walk into a bar… 

Bernard Butler: It’s terrifying – especially in Scotland. They go into super-Scots mode, where the accents and the in-jokes get thicker, and I have to admit that I’m the idiot Englishman and just have to be obvious about it. It’s a lot of fun and it’s really helped with my confidence, and it gave me an opportunity to get going again.

When I arrived to do the first show, James and Norman thought I was just going to play guitar, which is quite funny looking back at it – I assumed they thought I was coming to sing as well, so I rocked up with some songs and they were like, ‘OK,’ and they didn’t say anything about it… It wasn’t until months afterwards that they admitted it. I think it’s better for it – I hope everyone thinks that… We do a really good version of ‘Yes’ [by McAlmont and Butler] – I really like playing it with them because they get stuck into the harmonies.

Are you making plans for another solo album?

Bernard Butler: Yeah – I’m thinking about when I’m going to do it and start putting it together, but I haven’t written anything yet. I’ve got lots of things knocking around, but I want to use next year to focus on Butler, Blake and Grant, and then I’m going to start getting my own record together for the year after, because I don’t want to lose momentum. There will be lots of solo shows next year too – I’m going to keep touring.

Good Grief is out now on 355 Recordings.

www.bernardbutler.com

The debut album by Butler, Blake and Grant will be released in March 2025 (355 Recordings).