‘I just love to sing – I’ll sing the phone book if you give it to me!’

 

P.P. Arnold. Picture by Gered Mankowitz

This month sees the release of the first ever, career-spanning collection of music by soul legend, P.P. Arnold. 

Available as a 57-track, 3CD box set or a 25-track double LP version, Soul Survivor – A Life In Song, is a companion piece to her 2022 autobiography of the same name. 

With a sleeve created by photographer (and her close friend) Gered Mankowitz, and with extensive new sleeve notes by author, Jude Rogers, the collection includes key singles and album tracks, as well as previously unreleased recordings, demo versions, live performances, and some rare mixes that are being reissued for the very first time.

The compilation features duets and collaborations with Rod Stewart, Chip Taylor, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Dr. Robert, and Andy Gibb. 

Born in Los Angeles, California, in 1946, Arnold joined Ike and Tina Turner as an ‘Ikette’, which brought her to London in the Swinging ’60s.

Since her early days signed to Andrew Loog Oldham’s Immediate label – her debut solo album, The First Lady of Immediate, featuring hit single, The First Cut Is The Deepest, came out in 1968 – Arnold’s allies, associates and working partners during her colourful and varied career have included The Small Faces, Cat Stevens, Mick Jagger, Barry Gibb, Eric Clapton, The Blockheads’ Chaz Jankel, Roger Waters, The Beatmasters, Primal Scream, The KLF and Ocean Colour Scene

In an exclusive interview with Say It With Garage Flowers, we ask her to tell us about some of the lesser-known tracks that appear on the box set and get her to reflect on just a few of her many collaborations.

Q&A

Has the box set been in development for a while?

P.P. Arnold: We started working on it after Soul Survivor [the book.] There’s a lovely guy called Michael Mulligan, who has put box sets together for loads of different people – it’s been two or three years. We worked on it together – I’ve been very closely involved. There were some things that we couldn’t get the rights for, but I got most of the things I wanted.

There’s a lot of great stuff for your fans included, and several songs that I didn’t know you’d recorded or released…

P.P. Arnold: It’s good, and I’m pleased about that. I would’ve liked to have included more of the stuff I did with Pressure Point – we did a really good album [This Is London] with a great band. It’s got good production…

The song that is included, Leave Right Now, has an acid jazz feel…

P.P. Arnold: It was acid jazz – and it was going to come out on the Acid Jazz label…

In the ‘80s, you were adopted by the UK dance music scene and made records with acts like The Beatmasters, who you met while in the studio singing for commercials…

P.P. Arnold: I was doing jingles, and they were doing dance music. I started writing some songs with Richard Warmsley [The Beatmasters], who was a great keyboard player. We started getting serious and they asked me to do a track with them. I didn’t know what house music was, so I asked them was it funky? I wasn’t into that whole thing that was coming out of Chicago… So, I went into the studio with them, and we cut Burn It Up. It was a very happening time with dance music.

P.P. Arnold – picture by Robin Clewley

So, did you get into the scene?

P.P. Arnold: Yes, I did, but I didn’t do a lot of shows – The Beatmasters weren’t into gigging…

A lot of dance music was studio-based…

P.P. Arnold: Exactly – I’m the only live thing on the track, but I couldn’t get a record deal after Burn It Up. That’s why I did Dynamite, which I wrote with Kenny Moore [Tina Turner] – I had my own record company, which was ambitious, but I didn’t know about releasing records and all the under-the-table things that had to go down. I couldn’t compete, but The Beatmasters produced Dynamite, and we made a video. It had an underground kind of vibe.

Through The Beatmasters, I was introduced to The KLF, and I did some stuff with them. I also did E Vapor 8 with Altern-8 – there’s a crazy video for it on YouTube.

 

Let’s go back to the early ‘70s, to talk about your single, A Likely Piece of Work and the B-side, May The Winds Blow, which are both included on the box set. They were written by Jack Good and Ray Pohlman, and had a different sound to the British, pastoral-psych-pop sound you’d explored in the ‘60s – they sound more like punchy Northern Soul, or Stax…

P.P. Arnold: I guess they do, but they were produced in England. They were from the musical, Catch My Soul, which was a rock version of Othello. I knew Jack Good from the Shindig show in America.

You worked with P.J. Proby on Catch My Soul. How was that? Did he split his trousers?

P.P. Arnold: No, he didn’t, but he was a nightmare to work with, I tell you. He was a wild guy and he had a problem with alcohol. He used to show up in the morning… he used to drink Boone’s Farm apple wine… it wasn’t cool. It was what it was. I played Bianca in the show, and they beefed-up my role. In the original Shakespeare version, she was a harlot.

In the late ‘70s, you sang a duet with Andy Gibb on the Goffin and King song, Will You Love Me Tomorrow? It’s on the box set and it has a slight disco feel. Was that the first song you recorded after the death of your daughter, Debbie, in a car accident in L.A?

P.P. Arnold: It was – Barry Gibb invited me to come down to Miami and the idea was to finish the album we’d started. I took him up on his offer because I had to get out of Hollywood – I was too sensitive to be there. I was going to record with Barry, but when I got there he wasn’t able to do anything. Stigwood [Robert – Bee Gees manager] wasn’t up for it.

Barry was producing Barbra Streisand, Dionne Warwick and Olivia Newton-John – I didn’t have any support systems behind me, or a label… He was also producing a best of album for Andy Gibb, and he said I could do a duet with him for it – it’s such a beautiful version.

Let’s talk about Electric Dreams from the box set – it was featured on the soundtrack to the film that came out in 1984, and was co-written by Boy George. It was released as a single and has an ‘80s electro-pop feel…

P.P. Arnold: Don Was produced it and George did all the styling for the video. It came out as a single, and it was popular – the video is really sweet –  but the Giorgio Moroder [and Philip Oakey] song, Together in Electric Dreams, was used…

I didn’t know your song, A Little Pain, which is on the box set. It has a smooth R & B/soul sound, like Anita Baker or Phyllis Hyman…

P.P. Arnold: It was produced by Dexter Wansel and Nick Martinelli did the remixes. It had that Philly International vibe fused with Loose Ends – Carl McIntosh worked with us on it.

The Human Heart, which is also on the box set, comes from the musical, Once On This Island, which you appeared in. It’s a big Broadway ballad that starts with piano and vocals and then builds into a full arrangement…

P.P. Arnold: It’s beautiful. I love singing ballads. That’s the other side of me. I was heavily influenced by Dionne Warwick and Bacharach & David – that whole period of the ‘60s, which influenced a lot of what I did with Immediate and Andrew Loog Oldham. There are some beautiful ballads on The First Lady of Immediate album, like Something Beautiful Happened.

Do you think people often perceive you as a soul diva and forget your softer singing side?

P.P. Arnold: I just love to sing – I’ll sing the phone book if you give it to me! I can do jazz and blues… It’s all in me. I’ve got my own lane and the whole ‘60s British soul kind of thing is what people know me for.

In the ‘90s, you worked with Ocean Colour Scene – the single, It’s A Beautiful Thing, is on the box set – and, since then, you’ve collaborated with the band’s guitarist, Steve Cradock – he produced your 2019 album, The New Adventures of P.P. Arnold. One of my favourite tracks on the box set is your demo version of The Small Faces’ I’m Only Dreaming, which you did with Steve. It’s beautiful. I can remember you doing a version of it during lockdown for an online concert organised by the magazine, Shindig!

P.P. Arnold when she was recording for Immediate in the ’60s. Photo credit: LONDON FEATURES/Avalon/Avalon.

‘I’ve got my own lane and the whole ‘60s British soul kind of thing is what people know me for’

P.P. Arnold: I love it. We wanted to do it for the album [The New Adventures of P.P. Arnold], but there was so much stuff going on with the politics of the Steve Marriott estate. I didn’t want to do any of the Small Faces tracks because of that – his kids were being ripped off, and his mother was still alive… so I stayed away from it.  I wanted to record Afterglow… I did a funky version of it with Tony Remy, and I wanted to put it on the box set, but the recording wasn’t great.

The unreleased ‘90s recordings you did with Chaz Jankel (Ian Dury and The Blockheads) are available on the box set – there are four songs: Salobreña, Take Me To The Top, God In U, God In Me, and Which Side You On? You first met him in 1983, didn’t you?

P.P. Arnold: Yes – I met him when I first came back to England [from America]. I was going out with a guitar player who was working with Chaz – he had a studio just off Portobello Road. We really connected musically, and I wanted to do something with him then, but the guy I was with then was an idiot and got jealous, so it just didn’t happen.

Did you co-write the songs with Chaz?

P.P. Arnold: Yes – they were songs of mine, but Chaz put the music to them. I’d been living with God In U, God In Me for a long time…

It’s a protest song with an anti-war message…

P.P. Arnold: Yes – it’s so right for now. It’s all about how religion has so much to answer for.

‘I’ve got bags of songs, but I’ve never had the chance to work with people to develop them. Back in the day, nobody wanted me to write…’

P.P. Arnold – picture by Robin Clewley

Why did the songs you did with Chaz never get released in the ‘90s?

P.P. Arnold: Neither of us could get a look in – people thought we were too old. I’ve got bags of songs, but I’ve never had the chance to work with people to develop them. Back in the day, nobody wanted me to write – they weren’t interested in me being a writer. They wanted me to sing their writers’ songs.

There’s a great track called Temptation that you did with Chip Taylor on the box set – it’s a country-blues song, but with a hip-hop beat, and it’s from his 2001 album, Black and Blue America

P.P. Arnold: Yeah – that song is a historical track about America, slavery, politics, rednecks and all the biblical wrongs that went down. It’s a funky track and I’m glad that it’s on the box set for the same reason as God In U, God In Me – those songs are very political, revolutionary and spiritual. People don’t really know me for doing stuff like that. I write a lot of political stuff, but it’s not out there. I’m pleased that these songs are going to be heard.

Let’s talk about Five In The Afternoon – the brilliant 2007 album that you made with Dr. Robert of The Blow Monkeys: there are four songs from it on the box set. It’s a great ‘lost’ album. He wrote it for the both of you, didn’t he?

P.P. Arnold: He did. I didn’t get a chance to be involved in the whole writing process, as I was on the road with Roger Waters – Robert wrote all the songs, but I contributed a lot to that album, like the melodies.

A lot of the tracks are cool – they remind me of my mum and dad’s grooves from the ‘40s and ‘50s. It’s a great album and we sound great together on it.

I met Robert at a party – we had a mutual friend, and they were jamming there. I got up and sang with them – I think we did The First Cut Is The Deepest and some Curtis Mayfield.

I love your live versions of the two Sandy Denny songs on the box set: Take Me Away and Like An Old Fashioned Waltz, which are taken from the Denny tribute show, The Lady, which you performed in…

P.P. Arnold: They were from a show at The Barbican. I also did the Sandy Denny song, I’m A Dreamer [on The New Adventures of P.P. Arnold]. Steve Cradock was really into her, and I told him that I’d sung in the show. Take Me Away has a real gospel vibe – I did a recording of it with Tony Remy too, but they decided to use the other one on the box set.

You’ve covered a Bob Dylan song that’s on the box set too, Well, Well, Well, with Steve Howe of Yes. It’s from his album Portraits of Bob Dylan

P.P. Arnold: That’s a great funky tune. Steve called me out of the blue and asked me to do it, which was lovely – we go way back. He played guitar when I was on the Delaney & Bonnie tour.

Do you think you’ll incorporate some of the lesser-known songs on the box set into your current live set?

P.P. Arnold: Absolutely. I like to change my set a lot, and I have so many great songs in the catalogue that I never get a chance to sing. I’m thinking about all that.

This year, it’s the 60th anniversary of Immediate. Any plans to do something around that?

P.P. Arnold: Yeah, it will happen, but there’s some politics going on… I think Kenney Jones has the licence to do something with The Small Faces…

Photo credit: LONDON FEATURES/Avalon/Avalon.

Immediate had issues back in the day, and 60 years on, there are still things that need to be resolved…

P.P. Arnold: Definitely – it’s a journey. Nobody got paid… When I came back [to the UK] in the ‘80s, I wanted to know what was going on, and I started things happening. Kenney came out of the woodwork and Rod [Stewart] – everybody was interested. Everybody got ripped off in the ‘60s, and all the artists who are in the higher echelons of the industry now are the ones who got through the ‘70s – that’s when everybody started making money.

P.P. Arnold: Soul Survivor – A Life In Song is released on February 21 via Demon Music Group / Edsel.

P.P. Arnold will be touring in the spring. Please check her website for details: www.pparnold.com.

 

‘Making a record really does feel like emptying a part of your soul…’

Kelly Finnigan – photo by Mitch LaGrow

“There’s nothing like making records,” says San Francisco-based singer-songwriter, keyboard player, recording engineer and producer, Kelly Finnigan. “I feel like that’s my purpose – the reason I was put on this Earth.”

Well, he’s certainly making the most of his time here – in the past few years he’s made two albums with his retro-soul band Monophonics, a mixtape, his 2019 debut solo long-player, The Tales People Tell, and a Christmas album, plus he’s found the time to produce other artists – The Ironsides, Alanna Royale and The Sextones.

Not only that, but this month sees the release of his sophomore solo album, A Lover Was Born, which is easily up there with his previous releases when it comes to classy songwriting and rich, cinematic production, and it’s inspired by the likes of Isaac Hayes and Curtis Mayfield, Chicago soul and Muscle Shoals, as well as Northern Soul and early hip-hop.

To make this album, Finnigan assembled a crack team of musicians, including Max and Joe Ramey (The Ironsides), Jimmy James (Parlor Greens), Sergio Rios (Say She She / Orgone), Joey Crispiano (Dap Kings) and Jay Mumford (J-Zone).

Say It With Garage Flowers spoke to him about the writing and recording of the new album, his love of hip-hop and passion for collecting vinyl, and the darker side of modern American society that he tackles in some of his music. 

Q&A

Congratulations on the new album –  it’s brilliant. How did you approach this one? Did you have a definite idea of what you wanted it to sound like? 

Kelly Finnigan: Thank you very much. It feels great to share it with the world. I approached it with an attitude of patience, first and foremost. I wanted to feel fully focused and not have too busy of a schedule around the process of the recording sessions.

I spent a few days hanging out and writing music with my friend Joe Crispiano (The Dap Kings, Lee Fields) in New York, at his place in Staten Island. We developed ideas and chord structures and arranged parts. I did the same back home in the Bay Area, with my friends The Ramey brothers, from The Ironsides. That covers most of the songs, besides a few that I wrote alone in California and Ohio.

I wanted to make a record that felt like the next natural step after my first solo record in 2019. A lot can happen in four or five years, and that was the case for me. I experienced some big valleys and peaks during the last few years, and I wanted to wear that on my sleeve.

The main goal of all my records is that they have a ‘vibe’ – they have character, and they feel engaging. That’s how I like my music, and I’m always pleasing my ears first and foremost. I want them to feel honest and relatable.

‘All my records, including those with Monophonics, feel personal, and this one is no different. I wanted it to sound raw and emotive’

At the heart of every good album are good songs. I love these songs and the stories they tell. They really speak to who I am. All my records, including those with Monophonics, feel personal, and this one is no different. I wanted it to sound raw and emotive. Performance-driven is maybe the right way to describe it. It has a sense of freedom musically, all while still maintaining a lot of discipline and focus.

Can you tell me about the recording and production?

Kelly Finnigan: Well, once I got to the 10 or 11 song mark, I started to cut some demos of the songs on piano with a scratch vocal. This was beneficial to have on hand to show the musicians who were on the recording session: drums, bass, guitars and keys.

Once all those parts were recorded, I put down the ‘sweeteners’, which are lead and background vocals, as well as horns and strings. I’ve been doing it this way for a long time and it allows me to put all the pieces together in a way that is beneficial to my sound.

Most of the musicians on the album are people I’ve recorded with for years, musicians I have toured with, or people whose sound I admire. This list includes The Ramey Brothers, Austin Bohlman, Sergio Rios, Joe Crispiano, Jimmy James, Jay Mumford, Joey Quinones, Bryan Ponce, Alex Baky, Jason Cressey, Paul Chandler, Eric Johnson and on and on… I’m lucky to have a circle of incredible people who understand what I’m trying to achieve with these recordings.

The album is heavy musically, with a lot thoughtful parts from the musicians, great arrangements and performances from all involved. I wanted it to feel and sound inspired.

Leaning into the sonic aspect of the album, it is really a healthy balance of dirt and character, but in that charming way where it feels like the end of the ’60s before the ’70s hit and the fidelity on recordings changed.

‘I love a burning record that you can throw on, knowing it’s gonna hit everyone in the room hard, while I also love a good, slow sad song that hits you in a different way’

Photo by Brittany Powers

 

Trusting your gut and ears are important as well, if you want to get good at the art of making records. Relying on over-miking instruments for safety reasons, fixing mistakes in the box later and not allowing happy accidents or magic to happen because everything is preciously pre-planned in a way that doesn’t feel collaborative, is just not attractive to me as a creative.

It’s a very diverse record – musically and mood-wise: there are a lot of different vibes, from tender soul to funky and upbeat Northern Soul and some darker and moodier moments. Was it important for you to make a record that had a lot of different moods on it?

Kelly Finnigan: Yeah, as an artist and as a music listener.  I’m very much influenced by so much different music – old and new. I have an eclectic taste. I try and allow some of that into the music without clouding the vision or statement I’m making.

I was doing a lot of record shopping, particularly 45s, during the making of the album, which was putting a lot of different music and moods in my ears. It is important that I let the music reflect how I’m feeling and what I want to create mood-wise.

I love a burning record that you can throw on, knowing it’s gonna hit everyone in the room hard, while I also love a good, slow sad song that hits you in a different way.

His Love Ain’t Real is one of my favourite songs on the record – it has this big, dramatic, lushly-orchestrated sound. What can you tell me about that track? It’s one of the darker moments…

Kelly Finnigan: That is one of the ones I wrote on my own and is very much right in my wheelhouse. I love tough, dramatic and hard-hitting soul music, so I had a great time putting that one together. It’s very much inspired by the productions by Jerry Ragovoy and Thom Bell. Vocally, I was inspired by Syl Johnson, Carl Hall and Lee Moses on that song. It’s a track full of emotion, so I really tried to bring all the soul, fire and brimstone to the performance.

Cold World is another moody moment on the record – and it’s the most political song: it’s a social commentary. What inspired that track? It has echoes of Curtis Mayfield and Marvin Gaye circa What’s Going On for me… 

Kelly Finnigan: It’s definitely a social commentary and a sentiment a lot of folks will feel connected to. The main inspiration behind the song is this ever-evolving way of life in the 21st century that has become all too common. Greed and power is at an all-time high.

For most of us here in America, when you turn on the news or read what’s going on here and abroad, it’s hard to not feel affected mentally and emotionally. There is a lot of negativity being propped up and given a platform.

‘The main inspiration behind the song is this ever-evolving way of life in the 21st century that has become all too common. Greed and power is at an all-time high’

I think as a country, and as a society, we’re really struggling, with our character, our morals, our values and our willingness to accept others’ differences. We have all become very callous and cold towards each other, and I think unfortunately decency is lost on a lot of people.

Most of that song was written in Long Island with Joe, but I finished the chorus and put it together in California. I remember that this one came together pretty fast and it was an early take at the session. I got a beautiful string and horn arrangement from J.B. Flatt, who I have worked with before. I really dig the mood on this one.

Was Isaac Hayes an influence on lush and cinematic tracks like (Love) Your Pain Goes Deep and Be Your Own Shelter? 

Kelly Finnigan: I love that you took that away from those tracks. Isaac Hayes is most likely who I’m influenced by the most. It’s always hard to say, ‘cos there are a few people out there that I get so much inspiration from, but Isaac was truly one of a kind.

As a musician, songwriter, arranger, band leader, producer and visionary, he is one of the greatest ever. I don’t think people truly understand his contribution. While his records were grandiose and cinematic, I think at the core of that is this really soulful musician.

Me being such a huge fan of hip-hop music and discovering so much about the culture and genre, Isaac Hayes is a major part of the foundation to so many of the greatest samples of all time. I always say Isaac Hayes was hip-hop just like James Brown, Bob James, and Kool & The Gang.

Chosen Few has almost a hip-hop feel when it comes to the beats, the bass and the horns. Has the splicing and sampling culture of hip-hop always been an influence on you?

Kelly Finnigan: Yes, I always loved hip-hop as a kid, but really fell in love with it when I was around 12 or 13 years old. I was obsessed. I started DJing around that time and spent all my money and time on it. DJ culture, beat-making and crate digging was my passion.

My love for hip-hop carved the path for who I am today, and is a major part of my fabric as a producer and audio engineer. You can hear it in my records and it’s ingrained in my sound. The early sounds of hip-hop were mainly breakbeats or breakdowns of certain sections in soul and funk songs, so it only makes sense that they feel so connected.

You’re a crate-digger, aren’t you? Bought anything good recently? What are some of your favourite record shops?

Kelly Finnigan: Yes, I am. Vinyl is so important to me and has been since I was a kid. I definitely loved tapes and CDs growing up, but I always kept buying vinyl. I’ve been collecting a long time. I sold off a lot to buy recording gear at one point, but I have been back at it hard the past few years.

‘My love for hip-hop carved the path for who I am today, and is a major part of my fabric as a producer and audio engineer’

The last great record I found in the wild was an original pressing of Chicago Blues by Johnny Young & Big Walter on Arhoolie Records. It is an incredible blues album from the late ’60s.

I’d say some of my top shops are Shangri-La in Memphis, Rooky Ricardo’s Records in San Francisco, Plaid Room Records in Cincinnati, Fingerprints Music in Long Beach, Dusty Groove in Chicago and Amoeba in L.A.

Photo by Shutterstock: Mike_shots

All That’s Left is one of the album’s slower and more reflective moments – it’s sad and emotional: it sounds like a classic soul ballad. Where did that song come from? It has a wonderful string arrangement…

Kelly Finnigan: That song was written by myself and the Ramey Brothers, and it’s absolutely the most personal record I’ve made to date. I lost my father in 2021 and dealing with the loss of such a big figure in my life has been difficult.

My father was and will always be my biggest inspiration and hero. Some people don’t know, but he was a fantastic musician and singer who worked in the music business for over 50 years. He recorded and toured with an A-list of who’s who in the business and was universally respected my his peers.

I learned immensely from him and it only makes sense that there is a piece of him on this record. While the pain of losing him has been tough, I know it’s really been really hard on my mom.

‘My father was and will always be my biggest inspiration and hero. I learned immensely from him and it only makes sense that there is a piece of him on this record’

My parents were married for over 50 years and knew each other for almost 60 years. I could only imagine the pain she was dealing with and still deals with today. I wanted to write something from her perspective – to give her a voice. I wanted to honour my parents’ love and talk about what it was like for her to lose my father, who is so deeply ingrained in her heart and mind.

Vibe-wise, I wanted to keep it open and stripped-down to not hide behind a big production. My friend, Louis King, who has worked on a lot of my music, wrote a beautiful string arrangement that really lends itself to the mood and emotion in the song. I’m really proud of that one on the album it means a lot to me. 

You’ve been so busy over the past few years: three solo albums, including a Christmas one, a mixtape, and two Monophonics albums, as well as production duties for other people. Where do you get all your energy and creativity from? What keeps you going?

Kelly Finnigan: I know it sounds a cliché, but it’s as simple as I really love what I do and I feel extremely lucky to be in a position where I get to wake up every day and create music that brings people joy.

Since I was a teenager, I have wanted to make records and make music, so the fact that I’m able to live that dream and make a living doing it is such a privilege. No matter how far I’ve come or how far I go, I will never take that for granted. The music gives me the energy, the collaborations and the potential for something to be bigger and greater.

I’m always listening to music and that really does fuel a lot, plus I try and make sure there’s balance, and I’m finding inspiration in other areas of life.

Making a record really does feel like emptying a part of your soul that has been filling up since the last time you emptied it. Now, I have obviously emptied my soul a lot in the past five years, but, luckily, I’ve got a big tank and it continues to be filled with ideas, inspiration, life lessons and a true passion for music.

So, what’s next? Any more projects in the pipeline?

Kelly Finnigan: Well, besides promoting my current album, I have a record that I worked on for soul singer Mike James Kirkland. That should probably come out sometime next year and I’m gonna get going on a new Monophonics record very soon. There are some other artists and bands that I’m talking with in terms of collaborations and a couple of other side-projects, but it’s a little early to start naming names.

A Lover Was Born is released on October 18 (Colemine Records). Click here for Kelly Finnigan’s tour dates. 

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