INTERVIEW: “I like clunky, odd records”

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Richard Warren’s new album Rich Black Earth – the third in a trilogy – is one of the most atmospheric, moody and nakedly emotional records of 2013, evoking Nebraska-era Bruce Springsteen, with its stripped-down, dark, back to basics feel.

Drawing on raw blues, country, and eerie, echo-laden ’50s twangy guitar, it’s a perfect soundtrack for the wee small hours of the morning. I spoke to him about how he creates his ‘primitive soul’ music.

Congratulations on the new album, Rich Black Earth – it’s a brilliant record. Your last album, The Wayfarer, was my favourite long-player of 2011, so it’s great to be able to have a chat.

Can you tell me how you recorded the album and how you achieved such a raw, atmospheric sound?

Richard Warren: Thanks for the kind words on the album. I record all the songs in a small room at home. I’ve got a really primitive studio setup in there. I’ve been downsizing the equipment for years now. The less choice I have, the clearer and more focused the songs seem to be.

I’m down to just a two-track reel-to-reel tape machine, an old spring reverb and a tape echo. The tape recordings are pieced together in Pro Tools. It’s a very clunky, odd system, but I like clunky, odd records.

So, what was the recording process like? 

RW: It’s taken me about 20 years to fully realise that ‘the song’ is king. So I spend as much time writing and as little time recording as possible. I think the best producers understand that getting a record to ‘sound nice’ is not really that important. Essentially, we emotionally connect to words, melody and performance, not production values.

Like its predecessors Laments and The Wayfarer, it’s a very moody and dark record in places. How do you capture that vibe? 

RW: Thankfully it comes pretty naturally. I never dim the lights to ‘get the vibe going’ and all that kind of thing… There’s no science to getting the perfect take. You have to keep playing and listening until you hear something that makes one particular performance special.

In my experience that something special is usually a mistake – a crack in the voice, an out of time drum fill – anything that pulls your ear really. I tend to hang mixes on the string of errors in a performance.

There are some pretty out of tune guitars on old Stax records and that’s all part of the deal. Steve Cropper’s guitar solo on Green Onions [by Booker T and the M.G.s] comes in way too loud, for some, and you can hear the engineer whip the fader down. It would have taken another two minutes 55 seconds to fix, but I love that they left it on the final master. It’s the most exciting part of the song.

You get some extraordinary sounds from your guitar, such as on Ox and Rivington Street (eerie, ‘50s style, twangy instrumentals, which kick off the new album and its predecessor, The Wayfarer, respectively). What’s the trick to getting those effects and what inspired those tunes?

RW: The ‘surf’ instrumentals have become favourites with a lot of people, especially live, and, weirdly, they’ve been received well by radio. I initially included them to pull me away from being tagged as an acoustic folk-picker. There’s no real trick to the sound, though – an old guitar and amp, as much echo and wobble as you’ve got and crank it up!

This record is very stripped-down – more so than some of the songs on its predecessor. Was that your intention when you set out to make it? How did you approach this album?

RW: These days I record everything with the intention of it being a lone guitar and vocal performance. If they stand up on their own in that form I’ll leave them like that. It’s a tough discipline to crack – it’s much easier to throw the kitchen sink at everything.

My theory is that the stronger the composition and the better the basic root performance of the song, the more it will repel overdubbed instruments. They used to call it ‘sweetening’ a mix in the old days. Just give me the meat and potatoes…

There’s a soulful feel to this record. In places it reminds me of Bruce Springsteen, circa Nebraska – particularly on a track like Know.  Is that a valid comparison?

RW: Yes, primitive soul. I’m a big Springsteen fan and for me Nebraska is his masterpiece. There’s definitely a connection in the underlying blue-collar aspect of the songs. And I suppose in the fidelity of some of the recordings.

Is it true that the new album is intended to be the third in a trilogy? If so, please elaborate….

RW: I thought if I put that statement out there it might hold me to some sort of future musical shift. To me the first three albums are in black and white. I’d like to make a colour record.

Looking at some of the track titles on the new album – Flowers, Rot and Rust, Rich Black Earth, Ox, Weeping Tree, The Berry and The Thorn – I was wondering if this is your getting back to nature album?

RW: I’d not planned it that way, or, to be honest, even noticed the correlation. I like the idea though, and I have been downsizing recently, so maybe I am unconsciously getting back to the land…

Flowers is a gorgeous country shuffle and one of my favourite tracks on the album. Can you tell me more about that song?

RW: I got the opening lines, ‘I only tell of sunny hours, let others sing of storms and showers’ from an inscription on an old park sundial. It’s such an inspiring couplet. If you’re lucky enough to stumble across something as strong as that, the rest of the song will usually flow out really easily. It’s one of those songs that on a good night seems to plays itself.

What music are you currently into? What were you listening to when you were writing and recording Rich Black Earth?

RW: Nick Lowe’s The Convincer, At My Age and The Old Magic are top of the pile and always on constant repeat. I’m looking forward to his Christmas album. Also, Willie Nelson’s Teatro, Bill Callahan’s Apocalypse, Elvis Costello’s The Delivery Man, Tom Waits’ Bad As Me, Mark Lanegan’s Blues Funeral and Dylan – from Time Out Of Mind to Tempest.

My best album of 2013 would be Mark Lanegan and Duke Garwood’s Black Pudding – a 21st century blues album with no retro edge. It’s incredible.

So, what’s next for Richard Warren? Any live dates this year or next? What would you like the next record to sound like? Have you got any ambitions to fulfil?

RW: Just to hang in there making music full time would be enough, to be honest. I’d love to get on the road, but I don’t have an agent, manager or label, so it’s almost impossible to get any good live work in.

And finally, if you were the Lonesome Singer In The Apocalypse Band (a song from Richard’s second album The Wayfarer), who else would you want to be in the band with you?

RW: Nick Lowe on bass and Jim White on drums. Job done.

Rich Black Earth by Richard Warren is out now. For more information, visit http://www.richardwarren.info

Interview: The Hopelessly Devoted

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During 2011, I fell in love with the debut album by Los Angeles-based retro rock and rollers The Hopelessly Devoted. It harks back to a time of Brylcreem, rockabilly riffs, trips to the fairground, hanging out in cool coffee bars and simple romantic gestures.
Ian Webber, the band’s British-born front man and songwriter, shares my passion for ‘50s sounds and be-quiffed acts including Billy Fury, Buddy Holly, Richard Hawley and The Smiths. I had a quick chat with him about how to write the perfect vintage pop song, why he’s sad about Morrissey and if he’s got any plans to play live in the UK in 2012.

Sean: What is it about ’50s music that you love so much?

Ian: My love of ’50s music comes from getting my first tape player one childhood Christmas. I was eager to record things and it just so happened that the BBC was playing a load of Elvis movies. I can remember sitting right in front of the TV, waiting for each song to start, when I would hastily switch the tape player to record. 

From there I discovered Buddy Holly in the local library’s LP section, and, much later, Billy Fury, mainly due to him being one of the influences on The Smiths.

I think I heard a lot of Buddy Holly on a Butlins holiday I had when I was aged eight or nine, possibly before the Elvis movies, but I can’t quite remember. To me, Billy Fury is like a British Chet Baker, with his voice and mannerisms.

Sean: Can you tell me how The Hopelessly Devoted first got together?

Ian: I had been working on Sunset Strip, when I made the move to Los Angeles, six years ago. I got a job at The Cat Club – Slim Jim Phantom’s [from The Stray Cats] bar. My job there was bartending and running the sound and also booking acts twice a week, so I got to see a lot of live music. What actually happened was I saw this rockabilly band play, and my lord, the guitar player [Eitaro Sako) was just too good! I made sure that I got his number after the gig. While I was serving drinks, I got talking to a guy who played upright bass [Derek McGill], so I got his details, too. The drummer [Sam Gallagher] and keyboard player [Daniel Dempsey] were part of my previous band The Idyllists – a ‘60s inspired group.

Sean: Tell me about your debut album – Introducing The Hopelessly Devoted, which came out earlier this year. What was the songwriting process like? How did you nail that authentic ‘50s sound?

Ian: I had written the basis of the album – six or seven songs  – and then gathered everyone together to record them before we had even played a show!

The songwriting process was fairly quick and easy, actually. I put the basic ideas down and recorded vocals/acoustic guitar and gave copies to the rest of the band. I remember immersing myself in ‘50s songs, so as to make sure I wasn’t drifting off into indie land and minor chords.

Writing for The Hopelessly Devoted is fairly similar to my other projects, in that I come up with the basic ideas on an acoustic, but the main difference is that most  ‘50s songs have all major chords, so that’s kind of a cool challenge. If you listen to the great pop hits from ‘58-62, most go straight to the chorus off the top – no intro, verse etc. It’s brilliant! Oh and don’t forget the key changes.

Sean: How did you record the album?

Ian: We rented a rehearsal space for a few practices and then recorded the first eight songs in a single day, at our keyboard player’s studio. The process was that we recorded live – all in the same room – and then came back later to do another six songs and overdubs of backing vocals, hand claps etc. It was a really great way to get the band to gel, and to create a vibe. The fact that we could all see each other while recording the songs made for a really good way of creating the sound that we wanted. There were no click tracks and I really didn’t mind if we messed up a bit. It was all part of the cool process for getting songs that had feeling.

Sean: Obviously you’re a big fan of ‘50s sounds, but what new music are you currently grooving to?

Ian: I’m going through a lean period as far as new music is concerned. I am eagerly waiting on Richard Hawley’s thing with Duane Eddy and also a possible new Prefab Sprout album. Albums and acts I love include Elliott Smith, The Dears – No Cities Left, Everything But The Girl’s first album, Ben Kweller – Sha Sha, The Divine Comedy and Sondre Lerche – check out the Duper
Sessions: amazing!

Sean: Like me, you’re a big fan of The Smiths and Morrissey, aren’t you? Do you like Morrissey’s new material?

Ian: I’m rather sad with Morrissey right now, as I adore him, but feel his band is too heavy and thrashy for his voice. I would love him to do an album – or play live with – a band like The Divine Comedy, Belle and Sebastian or another rockabilly band. Hint, hint!

Sean: What are your plans for The Hopelessly Devoted in 2012?

Ian: We’re heading into the studio in December to do a single, so that will keep us busy ‘til the New Year, I’m sure.

Sean: Any plans to play in the UK?

Ian: We would love to do some UK dates – we’ve been selling a lot of CDs to Europe via our Band Camp website, so we shall see. If we could only get a support slot for the right band, but that could be a challenge. I’m thinking, thinking…

Sean: I’ll try and come up with some ideas.

Ian: Let’s talk soon, sir.

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