‘This is the first time we’ve managed to capture the ‘sonic swirl’…’

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

Girl On The Edge Of The World is the third full-length album from KEELEY – the Anglo-Irish indie-rock trio fronted by Dublin-born singer-songwriter and guitarist, Keeley Moss.

Like all of KEELEY’s musical output, it’s inspired by the tragic case of 18-year-old German backpacker, Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in Northern Ireland, in 1988 – no one has ever been charged with her killing.

Produced by Alan Maguire, Girl On The Edge Of The World is a concept album – a sonic travelogue set in the hazy spring days of 1988, in the last week of Hauser’s life, as she was travelling from Germany to Northern Ireland, via the Netherlands, England and Scotland – and it’s also KEELEY’s most expansive record yet, embracing shoegaze, dream pop, psychedelia, electronica, post-punk and indie rock.

Guesting on the record are ’90s indie legends, Miki Berenyi (Lush, Piroshka, Miki Berenyi Trio), and Sice (The Boo Radleys), as well as bassist Lukey Foxtrot and former Morrissey drummer, Andrew Paresi.

In an exclusive interview with Say It With Garage Flowers, Moss tells us about the concept behind the album, shares how and why Hauser’s sad story has affected and inspired her so much, and explains how she’s finally managed to nail the guitar sound she always dreamt of.


Q&A

Let’s talk about the new album – it’s your biggest-sounding record yet. Did you consciously set out to make a more ambitious album, or was it more organic than that?

Keeley Moss: It was more organic – if you trace the progression from our debut mini-album, Drawn To The Flame which came out back in 2022, you can see the arc sonically and in terms of the expansiveness of the sound.

Over the course of our first full-length album, which was Floating Above Everything Else, in 2023, and then Beautiful Mysterious, our second album, in 2024, and then the new album, it’s been a very logical and natural progression.

One of the good things is that for an indie artist like me, who is staunchly independently minded, I would find it anathema to have that age-old scenario of a record label trying to impose restrictions or clamp down on my vision.

The fact that there is no longer that degree of corporate interference in the modern world is very much a positive thing, and because everything takes so much longer now than it used to, you can develop without being jolted by overnight success. Overnight success is no longer possible – it’s a very steady, painstaking and patient climb.

‘I would find it anathema to have that age-old scenario of a record label trying to impose restrictions or clamp down on my vision’

That instantaneous rise or catapulting to prominence, fame or wider recognition overnight, simply just doesn’t happen anymore. Although there are negatives to that, one of the positives is that you can build your musical world pretty much unbothered and undisturbed by outside forces, because there isn’t too much of a vested interest from anyone other than those that are within our team, and who are very much on board with what we’re trying to achieve.

So, yeah – it [the bigger sound of the new album] was definitely something that came about naturally. I characterise it as being like this: anyone who liked our first album will love our second album, and anyone who loved our second album will, hopefully, adore our third album, because it is very much a natural development or continuation of what we’ve been about.

KEELEY: Lukey Foxtrot, Keeley Moss and Andrew Paresi: photo by Elias Fragotsis.

In the press material for the new album, it says that this is the first time you’ve managed to capture the sound that was in your head on record. Can you elaborate on that?

Well, what I meant by that is that this is the first time we’ve managed to capture the ‘sonic swirl’ – that’s a particular word that I use to describe specific guitar sounds.

There’s a sound that I’ve captured on this record, in conjunction with our producer, Alan, who helped me to realise that goal. There’s a particular guitar sound that I’ve been chasing for years, and I finally captured it and managed to record it on this album.

You’ll hear it on the first track on the record, which is Hungry For The Prize, and you’ll hear it on a song called Fell In Love With A Ghost, which is track 10.

You’ll also hear it on the title track, Girl On The Edge Of The World – it’s where you get this very atmospheric, swirling, kind of cavernous guitar tone. It’s a sound I love and when I finally captured it, it was a real eureka moment in the studio.

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

You mentioned Hungry For The Prize, which opens the album. There’s a line in that song which says: ‘My magpie eyes are hungry for the prize.’ Being an indie geek, I recognised the lyric from a song by The Loft called Up The Hill and Down The Slope, and it’s also the title of David Cavanagh’s book on the history of Creation Records…

You’re spot on – it’s a knowing nod to the late, great David Cavanagh. That book, The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry For The Prize, is the best book on the music biz I’ve ever read – it’s my Bible. It’s absolutely riveting, and, until I read that book, I wasn’t aware of the song Up The Hill and Down The Slope.

It was the perfect title [for the book] because obviously the Creation Records story is very much one of aspiration and hunger, and a drive and the will to succeed and to create an amazing stable [of acts] and an amazing indie label that would be able to go to battle with the corporate behemoths.

It’s about having indie values and making records which would stand the test of time, which those great Creation records obviously do. If anyone hasn’t read that book, I would urge them to. It’s for anyone who’s a fan of any of those great Creation bands, from Primal Scream to Oasis, My Bloody Valentine, Super Furry Animals, Teenage Fanclub, The House of Love… It covers the entire arc of Creation’s lifespan.

Like all your other records, the new album was inspired by the tragic death of 18-year-old German backpacker, Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in Northern Ireland, in 1988. How did you first become interested in her story?

I’ve always had a deep interest in true crime, ever since I was a child. I’d read a brief passing reference to Inga in a book by an Irish crime correspondent and crime author called Barry Cummins, back in the 2000s.

He said she had been abducted or gone missing after a ferry journey from Stranraer to Larne, and it just kind of piqued my interest, but not enough to delve deeply… I remember thinking, ‘That’s curious, because those are two places that you don’t really hear spoken about’ – they’re not like New York or London. They are two places that there’s not an awful lot of media stories emanating from.

Many years after that, I was reading a book called Missing, Presumed, which was written by a guy called Alan Bailey, who had been in the Garda Síochána [police force in the Republic of Ireland]. He was the national coordinator for a think tank called Operation Trace, which was devised to investigate potential links between six specific missing persons cases involving young women in the county of Leinster in the 1990s – from 1993 up to ’98.

Inga Maria Hauser – photo: PA Media

Over the course of that investigation, the remit was widened to include other cases which may or not have been connected – to try and establish if there were links with other cases from prior to that time. Criminal profilers were enlisted by Operation Trace to make suggestions, and one of those suggestions was to have a look at the case of Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in 1988.

It predated the think tank by five years and was outside of the geographical area – Inga’s abduction and murder had taken place in County Antrim – but it did involve a reinvestigation of her case, as part of Operation Trace.

After the national coordinator had retired and after Operation Trace was wound up, he wrote a book about his career. Towards the back of the book was a short chapter on Inga’s case, and, after reading about her story, it was like an arrow into my brain… There was a sudden and striking uprising within me that I couldn’t shake loose.

I was working in a library at the time, and I would get up in the morning and think about Inga’s story on my way to work. It was also on my mind throughout the day and after I finished my shift.

So, after a number of weeks, I tried to find an outlet for that energy and that fixation. I decided I would try and write a blog because I’d looked online to try and learn more about Inga, but there was very little about her – just the bare facts of the case. Who was she? Why had she been in such unusual locations?

‘Reading about Inga’s story was like an arrow into my brain…There was a sudden and striking uprising within me that I couldn’t shake loose’

I realised that in order to write about it properly, I was going to have to research it in depth, which I did for four months. And then I wrote part one of what became The Keeley Chronicles, which was a blog that I founded. I posted it online, and to my amazement, it went viral.

I didn’t even think it was a possibility, and I wasn’t ready for the impact that it would have, in terms of me being inundated with emails and inquiries from all across Europe, particularly Northern Ireland. That was what alerted me to the fact that there was a huge groundswell of interest in her case that had never come to fruition.

I felt even more impassioned about trying to help to make a positive difference in her case, because I just felt a real spiritual kinship with her. I didn’t know her personally, but it was a very curious thing. I then spent the next few years becoming more deeply involved in her case, and trying to find a way to assist the enquiry in any way I could, whilst at the same time being aware that I was coming at it from a very unusual place – I’m not a police office or a detective, I’m an indie-rock musician from Dublin.

I was quite naive about what I was getting into – especially in a place like Northern Ireland, which is a very complex environment. That added another layer of intensity and intrigue, which has gone into the songwriting. If you’re a songwriter, you write about what you’re most passionate about, and what you’re most intrigued by, or most interested in, and because her story and her life was on my mind so much, it was inevitable that that was going to seep into my songwriting.

Keeley Moss – photograph by Chris Hogge

‘I’m not a police office or a detective, I’m an indie-rock musician from Dublin’

What I didn’t expect was that it was going to become my songwriting, and that here we are now and she is still all I’ve written about for the last 10 years, which is kind of unprecedented in musical terms.  

It’s like every album you’ve made is a concept album…

Exactly, and I like that. Concept albums were something that rose to prominence in the 1970s with the advent of progressive rock. I love the notion of a concept album – the thought of it being more than just a collection of songs but having a thematic link throughout. It means something more than just a selection of tunes.

Our last album, Beautiful Mysterious, was very much a concept album. The first two records we made, Drawn To The Flame and Floating Above Everything Else, are conceptual and all the songs are about aspects of Inga’s life, but there isn’t a linear arc to those, like there is with the new one and the previous one.

‘With this record, I’m sitting you on a rickety and clattering British Rail train, in the spring of 1988, and you’re seeing the grime-laden window pane…’

It’s a story that I just have to tell, and it’s coming from a pure place – no one in their right mind would sit down and go, ‘I know what I’m going to do. I’m going to make an album that deals with this very specific, unusual story and takes the listener all the way back to the spring of 1988…’

It’s something that is so unlike the kind of records that other people are making and have made, but there’s just something about that timeframe that I love, and I find it very emotional –  trying to take the listener on a journey, so they can see the world through Inga’s eyes. That’s what I’m doing with this record –  I’m sitting you on a rickety and clattering British Rail train, in the spring of 1988, and you’re seeing the grime-laden window pane…

All those real elements are there. It’s not a pristine window and you’re not seeing some untouchable, distant and unrecognisable land like San Francisco. You often get songwriters lapsing into Americanisms… You won’t find one Americanism on any of our records –  it’s just not part of my lyrical landscape.

There are no boulevards…

Exactly.

Never mind the boulevards…

(Laughs).

The first song on the album, Hungry For The Prize, recounts the journey that Inga takes – from Germany to the Netherlands and then England. I think it captures that excitement and sense of discovery – how she’s setting out on an adventure, during her Easter college break. The album is a travelogue – how easy was it to map out that journey, write the songs and make it work in a linear fashion?

I love that you’ve asked me that because for me it’s one of the central features of the record – not just the story of it but also the story of my life over the past 10 years. It’s about trying to get as close as I can to bringing the listener and the reader of The Keeley Chronicles blog to the reality of where Inga was, what she saw, what she felt and how much those moments meant to her.

It was the last week of her life, and it was the best week of her life, if you can rely on her own diary extracts and her postcards home. It was just something I found so emotional – there she was, very much in the spring of her life, and it actually was springtime – but she was also blossoming as a person.

‘I was able to take the listener on a journey in tribute to Inga, and to try and preserve the purity of her original mission’

She was 18 years old, she was on the cusp of her entire adult life, and all the beauty and the idealism that went along with that – the joy and brightness she experienced on that week away, and then the absolute contrast with the darkness that she would encounter when she arrived in Northern Ireland. It’s such a striking dichotomy.

I was something that I got a better understanding of when I retraced her steps, back in 2018. I had four days off between my work shifts, and I had to go over to London anyway, so I bought myself a rail pass and I mapped out her journey. I learned so much during that experience – the full story of what happened on my retracing of her steps is discussed in the blog, between parts 21 and parts 34.

Keeley Moss following in Inga Maria Hauser’s footsteps – picture courtesy of The Keeley Chronicles blog

It gave me an insight I wouldn’t have otherwise had before I set out on that journey. I said to myself that I could read about her encounters to a certain degree, but that there was no substitute for actual lived experiences and having that empirical knowledge – what it was like to navigate that landscape and to do those journeys, on those trains and over those bridges, travelling from London to Cambridge, to Oxford and through England to Inverness, Stranraer and Larne.

While I was retracing her steps, what really stood out for me was that how little had changed in the places that she had been, over the course of 30 years. I was seeing as close to what she had seen, and that gave me an insight to be able to make the records in a more vivid and authentic way – I was able to take the listener on a journey in tribute to her, and to try and preserve the purity of her original mission.

Yes – the album is very cinematic, and in the lyrics you use a lot of imagery, like trains and places, as well as extracts from Inga’s diary and postcards.

Miki Berenyi Trio: picture by Abbey Raymonde.

 

We should talk about some of the guest musicians on the album. As well as your rhythm section, Lukey Foxtrot and Andrew Paresi, playing bass and drums, respectively, you’ve got Miki Berenyi (Lush, Piroshka, Miki Berenyi Trio) and Sice (The Boo Radleys) singing on it. I know you’ve been a support act for The Boo Radleys and the Miki Berenyi Trio, and you’re a fan of both bands…

Getting to know them has been lovely, and touring with them has been amazing as well. When I first got into music in the ’90s, I would’ve heard The Boo Radleys before Lush… The first Boo Radleys record I heard was Wake Up, Boo! which I still think is one of the best pop songs of the past 30 years.

They’ve almost disowned it now..

I know – it’s a real shame. That record has oddly been mischaracterised as a sort of ditty… but there’s such a lovely melancholy to it: ‘Summer’s gone /days spent with the grass and sun…’

It definitely has a dark undercurrent, but the song got hijacked by breakfast radio shows… 

I know it did. Musically, when it comes out of the middle eight with that clanging guitar tone… It’s great – it’s almost as if there’s an album’s worth of ideas in that one track. That’s the great thing about the Boos and Super Furry Animals – they were just crammed with ideas. You don’t get that so much nowadays.

I became a huge fan of the Boos and I got into Lush in the early 2000s, after they’d split up for the first time. Miki is a dear friend and I’m so proud to have her on the record. She’s got such a distinctive singing voice, and what she’s done on the track that she sings on… Anyone who loves Lush and shoegaze will hopefully bask in the beauty of what she’s managed to create, and in what Sice has managed to add to our track. Those two songs – Trains and Daydreams and Big Brown Eyes – are earmarked to be future singles, so hopefully they’ll get more focus. 

Trains and Daydreams is one of my favourite songs on the album – it has some great psychedelic, jangly guitar on it… 

Yeah – when I wrote it, there was a kind of lingering melancholy to it and we’ve managed to emphasise that in the recording. It was so lovely to have Sice on it. I met him for the first time at a gig in Dublin, and we just instantly clicked – he’s such a lovely fellow.

The Boo Radleys

 

The Boos were so lovely to us – they took us on the road with them. I feel so honoured to have had the opportunity to support not only The Boo Radleys and the Miki Berenyi Trio, but also Echobelly, Terrorvision, The Primitives, Northside… There are lots of bands that have taken us under their wing, and it’s been amazing. Their audiences have been really receptive to us.

The last few songs on the new album reflect on what’s happened since Inga died. Fell In Love With A Ghost is about trying to find the answers to what went on and The Movie of Our Yesterdays is more personal  it deals with how you feel about singing about Inga:‘I sing to you alone, knowing we can never meet, knowing you can never know…’

If Inga was still alive, what do you think she would think about what you’ve done for her? I know that sounds strange because you wouldn’t have written about her if she hadn’t have been murdered, but you know what I mean…

It’s a really interesting viewpoint: what would she make of it all? I’ve asked myself that question so many times. I hope she’d be flattered, and I think she’d be surprised. When you embark on a project of this nature, which simply hasn’t been attempted before… It’s one thing to write a song about someone and their life, but it’s another thing to write an album about them, and it’s another thing altogether to write an entire discography.

Given that there are very few, or comparatively few, examples of Inga’s writings, and evidence of the life that she left behind, it’s quite an undertaking to be able to find new angles to write about her over the course of what is effectively now four albums. I’ve managed to do that somehow, but, with this new album, in particular, what I love about it more than anything else is that it focuses on the aspect of the story that has always been the most interesting for me, right from day one – and that is the time when she was most alive, which was the last week of her life.

‘It’s one thing to write a song about someone and their life, but it’s another thing altogether to write an entire discography about them’

It’s probably the ultimate tribute to her, in that it’s a record that is primarily concerned with with her as a living being and as a life force, and where she was…  In my own small way, I can create for her…. Those who killed her, and those who have continued to defy the efforts of the authorities to bring them to justice, can’t take that away from her –  it’s a measure of something that they haven’t been been able to erase.

If Inga came back… it’s such an interesting thing. I’ve asked myself that question,  and I love that you’ve brought it up in the interview, and that you’ve been so thoughtful to ponder it. What would she think of it,  if she could come back? I’m kind of fascinated by the idea. I’d love to be able to show her the albums that she had inspired, and I’d be so intrigued to see what she would make of it. I can never know and I can never show her…

The last song on the record, Daydreams and Trains, is especially poignant because it’s set after Inga has died, and the world is carrying on without her. You sing: ‘The train left on time /Without you inside/The world you left behind/But I can’t leave you behind…’ That song feels very much like a companion piece to The Movie of Our Yesterdays...

Exactly, and I felt it was the perfect way to round off the record. There’s Trains and Daydreams earlier on the album, and then there’s Daydreams and Trains. When I wrote those two songs, I felt they should either bookend the record or certainly be on the same album.

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

 

Daydreams and Trains is the reason why the story must go on, and why I haven’t been able to let go of it. It was only after I’d recorded the song that I felt it was missing something, so I got in touch with our producer, Alan, and said: ‘I have an idea for a coda  I’ll come into the studio… Trust me…’

‘What would Inga make of it all? I’ve asked myself that question so many times. I hope she’d be flattered, and I think she’d be surprised’

That’s one of the great things about Alan  he trusts my judgement and I trust his. We’ve got a great working relationship. When I went [back] into the studio, that coda just gave the song a very uplifting and spiritual denouement: ‘Girl on the edge of the world/A shooting star evaporates.’  It’s almost like a sonic shooting star to take the record into another dimension.

 

So, have you got your ‘sonic swirl’ guitar effects pedals sorted for when you go out on tour this year?

I have. I’ve managed to build the perfect beast. Is that an album title by Don Henley? It’s something that I liken to trying to build the perfect array of effects pedals it’s trying to get it calibrated so there’s just the right element of this and a pinch of that… I’m always chasing my dream soundscapes… I’ve got a sweet array of sounds and I’ll be deploying them to maximum effect on our tour.

Although none of them will sound like Don Henley… 

No definitely not, although, saying that, The Boys of Summer is an absolute tune.

Girl On The Edge of the World is released on February 20 via Definitive Gaze.

KEELEY play the following headline dates across the UK in support of the new album:

Wed Feb 18: LONDON LVLS, Hackney Wick

Thurs Feb 19: COVENTRY, Tin Music & Arts

Fri Feb 20:BRISTOL, Exchange (Basement)

Sat Feb 21: BOURNEMOUTH, The Bear Cave

Wed Feb 25: BRIGHTON, The Rossi Bar

Fri Feb 27: HUDDERSFIELD, Amped

Sat Feb 28: GLASGOW, Hug & Pint

Sun Mar 1: NEWCASTLE, Cluny 2

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‘There were 20 years when we didn’t talk to each other at all…’

 

Photo of The Loft by Ruth Tidmarsh

 

It’s early February 2025 and Say It With Garage Flowers is sat in a North London pub with two members of ‘8os jangly indie band, The Loft: Pete Astor (guitar and vocals) and Andy Strickland (guitar).

Prior to our trip to the boozer, we had tea and cake in nearby Mario’s Café, the tiny Kentish Town eatery that was immortalised in song by Saint Etienne.

Today, it’s also played another part in pop music history – it’s where The Loft have shot the video for their new song, The Elephant  – a jerky and quirky, post-punk-meets-indie-pop tune.

A few friends and associates were invited to the café to participate in the filming and take footage on their mobile phones to use in the video – Astor and Strickland performed acoustic versions of some of the band’s new tracks, including The Elephant and Feel Good Now.

Both of those songs are taken from the band’s debut album, Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, which is out in March. Yes, you read that right… their debut album.

Andy Strickland and Pete Astor at Mario’s Cafe – photo: Sean Hannam

Despite releasing their first single, Why Does the Rain, in 1984, on Creation Records, and following it up with Up the Hill and Down The Slope the following year, The Loft never got to make an album – famously, just as they were about to hit the big time, the band split up on stage at the Hammersmith Palais, in front of 3,000 people on the final date of a tour supporting The Colourfield.

Now, more than 40 years later, Astor, Strickland and fellow original members, Bill Prince (bass) and Dave Morgan (drums), have finally got round to recording and releasing their debut long-player.

Produced by Sean Read (Dexys, Edwyn Collins, The Hanging Stars), it’s a great record – both urgent and upbeat, and reflective and melancholy.

It sounds exactly like you’d hope and expect the first album by The Loft to sound like after 40 years – there are plenty of floppy-fringed nods to their classic and melodic, ‘80s indie jangle-pop, but, at the same time, it’s a record that’s fresh, inspired, inventive and occasionally surprising. Funnily enough, it’s as if everything has changed, but everything has stayed the same… 

There’s the mid-‘60s-Beatles-meets-Paisley-Underground of first single, Dr Clarke, the Velvet Underground chug of Ten Years, the angular, Television-like post-punk of Do The Shut Up, and the shimmering, English seaside town nostalgia of Greensward Days and Somersaults – the latter has a brilliant, George Harrison-style guitar solo by Strickland.

“It sounds like The Loft because it’s the four of us… When we play together, we sound like The Loft. There was never any, ‘Oh – how did we get those guitar sounds back in ’84?’,” says Strickland, over a pint.

Adds Astor: “It evolved pretty quickly that the album was going to be two guitars, bass and drums. There are many other ways to make records, and to make Loft records, but for the debut album it just felt right.”

Q&A

Your debut single, Why Does the Rain, came out in 1984, on Creation Records, but your debut album, Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same, is being released 41 years later – in March 2025. That must be some kind of a record… Does it feel like that long?

Pete Astor: No – time is a very strange thing, isn’t it? It feels like another lifetime and last week. That’s life… Everything changes, everything stays the same. (laughs). Sorry for that so early in the interview.

(Laughs). That’s fine. Famously, The Loft split up on stage at The Hammersmith Palais in 1985, after the release of your second single, Up the Hill and Down the Slope. I don’t want to dwell on that, but, if you hadn’t broken up then, do you think your debut album would’ve come out that year?

Pete Astor: I think it would’ve done.

Andy Strickland: I don’t think we had a great plan exactly, but I’m pretty sure Creation would’ve have put an album out then – we were on that trajectory – and it would’ve been a good one as well.

Pete Astor: Totally.

So, when Creation put out the compilation album, Once Around the Fair: The Loft 1982–1985, in 1989, was that representative of what your debut would’ve sounded like?

Pete Astor: Yes and no, because when you think about it, they were the first things that we did – it was everything we recorded at the time, but there would’ve been other songs…

You’ve reformed since 1985 – you came back in 2006 and put out the single, Model Village, but why did you decide to get back together yet again and make the new album?

Pete Astor: We didn’t really discuss it in 2006… It felt right to do a single, but it didn’t feel right to do an album… I don’t really know why. It wasn’t like we fell out, but it was never on the cards for some weird reason.

Andy Strickland: We did a bit of recording, but there was never any great desire to turn it into something more than that.

‘When you’ve been on the planet for a certain amount of time, the world looks different now from what it did in 2006’

So, what changed?

Pete Astor: It’s so funny – there’s no reason for it, but it just felt right. That sounds a bit lame. We did the Riley & Coe Session [in 2023] and that felt very right. I was taking a year away from work… In the arc of your life, it felt like the right time, without getting too much into it… Different things happen in different decades, and in the 2000s, we were in a different lifecycle – there were a lot of other life things taking place, whereas now it’s more of a coming to terms time. When you’ve been on the planet for a certain amount of time, for me, the world looks different now from what it did in 2006.

Andy Strickland: Pete’s writing songs all the time and releasing them on solo albums or as The Attendant, or gigging with them, or whatever. He felt that he had a bunch of songs that might work with the four of us playing them – we didn’t know if it would – so we signed up to do it, and said, ‘Let’s see what happens, but if it doesn’t work out, we won’t do it’.

How long after your initial breakup did you first get back together and was it awkward?

Andy Strickland: There were about 20 years when we didn’t talk to each other at all.

Pete Astor: It was very awkward, and not good. I think we saw each other in the off licence in Walthamstow once and scowled at each other. We didn’t realise we lived quite close to each other, which was bizarre. Weirdly, we weren’t that far away.

How was it when you got back together to play gigs in 2006?

Pete Astor: It was quite emotional. We felt like we’d grown up – we’d lived much more life.

Andy Strickland: It was nice to reconnect. It’s not a nice thing to have been mates as a group of people, made art – been in a band – and then not talk to each other for 20 years.

‘I think we saw each other in the off licence in Walthamstow and scowled at each other’

Photo by Joe Shutter

You split up in a spectacular style, on stage, in front of 3,000 people…

Andy Strickland: Well, if you’re going to do it, fucking do it right!

Let’s talk about your new album, Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same – you went into the studio with producer Sean Read to record it last August…

Pete Astor: I’ve made several albums with him, and it was a no-brainer that he’d be the perfect person to do it – and he was… It’s the sound he’s got and his understanding. He’s such a good producer but he’s got such a light touch. One of my pet hates with engineers and producers is when they tell you what they’re doing. ‘I’m just going to EQ your Sidechain MIDI…’ ‘Shut up! I don’t care – just do it!’

Sean isn’t that person – he’s incredible with technology but he’s not a bore at all. He just uses it brilliantly and his editing skills are great – he makes it look very easy. I love his mixing, and when you hear one of our records on the radio, it’s a lovely moment of vanity – you can rewind the track to hear the song before it, and generally you can hear our track go boom! It’s louder than anything else – it’s all the things you want from a record…

How long did it take to make the album?

Pete Astor: Five days. I did all the vocals in an afternoon.

Didn’t you record some of the vocals in bare feet? I saw some photographs that were shared on social media.

Pete Astor: I did do some in bare feet…

Andy Strickland: It was very hot…

Pete Astor: Andy was even reduced to wearing shorts at one stage… So was I, but there were no photographs…

Andy Strickland: Unfortunately, I did get photographed in my shorts…

Photo by Ruth Tidmarsh

How was the recording process?

Andy Strickland: Pete told us early on what we should do – we didn’t go into the studio at all when Sean was editing and mixing the album, and it worked brilliantly. There was none of that sitting at the back of the room and saying, ‘Can you turn the bass up a bit?’ Apart from a couple of tiny things, we didn’t change anything.

Pete Astor: You let the person do their job… I was always inspired by Ken Scott, who said when he finished recording Hunky Dory, Bowie was like, ‘See you then, Ken…’ It wasn’t Bowie’s job to mix the record – it was Ken’s… I think that’s exactly how it should be.

How did you approach making a debut album after such a long time? Did you set out to capture any of your original, mid-‘80s sound?

Andy Strickland: No – we didn’t have any discussions or thoughts around that. It sounds like The Loft because it’s the four of us… When we play together, we sound like The Loft… There was never any, ‘Oh – how did we get those guitar sounds back in ’84?’

Pete Astor: It evolved pretty quickly that the album was going to be two guitars, bass and drums. There are many other ways to make records, and to make Loft records, but for the debut album it just felt right – let’s be as good as we can, but let’s use the primary colours of how we make music. It didn’t seem appropriate for this record to be using the studio more as an instrument…

‘When we play together, we sound like The Loft… There was never any, ‘Oh – how did we get those guitar sounds back in ’84?’

You didn’t feel you needed to use strings and horns, either…

Pete Astor:  No – I love all of those things, but it felt right to play guitar, bass and drums…

Did you co-write any of the songs?

Andy Strickland: Somersaults was co-written, and everything else is 100 percent Pete.

Were all the songs written for the album or did you dip into a pile for any of them?

Pete Astor: I always have songs on the go – some have sat on my computer for 20 years, but most of them haven’t. Sometimes a song doesn’t sound right, but you revisit it 15 years later and you say, ‘It needs to be faster,’ and then it works…

I started The Elephant in 2008 and it was called The Great Grey Plastic Owl. It was about a great grey plastic owl that everyone pretended wasn’t there, but do you know what? The elephant in the room is a bit more to the point, and it took me about 20 years to figure that out.

Let’s talk about some of the songs on the new record. The first single, Dr Clarke, has a mid-’60s Beatles feel – it made me think of Doctor Robert – but it’s also got a Paisley Underground sound, like The Long Ryders…

Pete Astor: It’s based on a real person, but I changed the name to protect the guilty… There was a trauma workshop thing that I went to, and there was a person running it who wore a cowboy hat – it was one of those people who is charismatic and wrong, and slightly scary. The Doctor Robert thing? Fair dos, but it never occurred to me.

Andy Strickland: Or me…

Pete Astor: Shit! It’s Doctor Robert...

Musically, it has that feel…

Pete Astor: Yeah – it does…

‘We took great pleasure not just liking the older indie canon – we liked Creedence, but you weren’t mean to like them, as they were American and pretended they were from the bayou’

When The Loft started out, you were influenced by Television, The Velvet Underground, The Go-Betweens and Orange Juice. I think Ten Years, which is one of my favourite songs on the new album, has a Velvets feel….

Pete Astor: Yeah – that Foggy Notion thing… and a bit of Creedence Clearwater Revival, who were always one of my favourites. We took great pleasure as a band as not just liking the older indie canon – we liked Creedence, but you weren’t mean to like them, as they were American and pretended they were from the bayou. We appreciated other stuff that wasn’t just jingly-jangly like The Left Banke and, I don’t know…

The Byrds…

Pete Astor: Exactly. We didn’t just like The Byrds…

Andy Strickland: Have you seen the documentary of Creedence playing the Royal Albert Hall? It’s fucking amazing! I think it’s on YouTube.

Pete Astor: What I love about that film… I don’t know if we would be as tough as they were… They were used to people in America dancing and partying, but the fucking Albert Hall is like a fridge – nobody moves… But are Creedence freaked out? No – they are on fire.

Andy Strickland: It was their first ever British gig – no sitting in a little indie club…

Pete Astor: I really admire Creedence. Those American bands – and also those in the ‘80s – always learnt to play. It’s that musicianship thing, but growing up with that post-punk thing, I always felt it was really cool not to be able to play guitar well or sing well… It’s kind of cool, but it’s a bit of an obstacle sometimes. Tom Verlaine from Television would practice for eight hours a day, which is why he was quite good at playing guitar… It’s not rocket science.

I think there’s a bit of a Television feel to some of the songs on your new record – tracks like Do The Shut Up, The Elephant and This Machine… It’s the angular guitars and jerky rhythms…

Andy Strickland: Interestingly, you haven’t mentioned the one song that has the ‘Tom Verlaine note’ in it…

Which song is that?

Andy Strickland: Storytime. There’s one note in the solo which is a Tom Verlaine note… (laughs).

Pete Astor: I have no idea which song it comes from, but I know exactly what you mean. Maybe it’s the chord change and the note…

Photo by Joe Shutter

I really like Greensward Days and Somersaults – they stand out on the album, as they sound different from the rest of it. Greensward Days is a lovely, reflective, nostalgic and jangly song about summers and winters that have been and gone, while Somersaults is another of the album’s more subdued moments, with jangly guitars and a touch of melancholy. There are Victorian gates, a seaside town and rain… It feels very English…

Pete Astor: They’re both seaside town songs. I didn’t realise that greensward is specific to bits of Sussex and Essex – in a seaside town, it’s the green grassy bit before going down to the beach. I thought it was a normal phrase… The lyrics of those songs come from a true place but they’re not all exactly true – I’m trying to paint a paint a picture or write a little story…

I love the guitar solo on Somersaults. Did you play that, Andy?

Andy Strickland: Yeah – it’s the bonkers George Harrison one.

The album opens with Feel Good Now. The first line is: ‘I’m bored, I’m bored, looking at the wall…’, which made me smile, as this is your first album in over 40 years, and it starts with you saying you’re bored… 

Pete Astor: (Laughs). I think the idea… There’s a bit in one of my favourite books, The Information by Martin Amis – there’s a character called Richard Tull, who is the world’s most miserable man, and there’s one point where he’s drinking too much and talking about human nature. He says: ‘Do you want to feel good now or tomorrow morning? I’ll feel good now…’ For me, I love the double edge to it.

Andy Strickland: I hadn’t thought of it, but it’s quite a statement to start the record with: ‘I’m bored…’

Pete Astor: It’s nice that it’s not profound – it’s the opposite of a statement…

‘The tour is going to be quite energetic. There will be no Jagger moves, but it’s not mid-paced country rock’

You’re going on tour. Are you looking forward to it?

Pete Astor: Yeah – it’s going to be quite energetic. There will be no Jagger moves, but it’s not mid-paced country rock. I like the fact that it’s going to be quite urgent, which is what somebody said about the album. It’s not a walk in the park.

Andy Strickland: It’s not C, G and F for an hour – it’s quite a workout.

Will you be throwing some shapes?

Pete Astor: Scissor kicks.

So, you’re not planning to break up on stage at the end of the tour?

Pete Astor: Not as such.

Andy Strickland: No.

Pete Astor, Sean Hannam and Andy Strickland – February 2025

Finally, what am I likely to find in your lofts? 

Pete Astor: I haven’t got a loft.

Andy Strickland: I’ve got two lofts! Are you talking about the smaller one or the larger one?

Pete Astor: You’ve got two lofts?

Andy Strickland: When we bought the house, we didn’t know we had a large loft as well as a smaller one… We opened up a door above our bedroom and there was a bigger loft. In the small loft, we have all those household things that you stick away… camping stuff and old chairs… But in the big loft is basically my life in cardboard boxes – records, cassettes, magazines, DVDs and VHS tapes.

Pete Astor: I thought you were going to say it was a painting of four young men in a band…

Everything Changes, Everything Stays The Same is out now on Tapete Records.

www.tapeterecords.de

The Loft are currently touring the UK.