‘It’s about heading into the night to search for the person that you think you might’ve missed out on being… but what you find is some bruises in the morning…’

Louis Eliot – picture: Chris Floyd

Nineties cinematic pop band Rialto are back with a brand-new album, Neon & Ghost Signs – their first record in 24 years.

Fronted by singer-songwriter, Louis Eliot, the group split up in 2002, but reformed in early 2023 and played a handful of comeback shows, including the Shiiine On Weekender indie festival in Minehead and a couple of London dates.

Following on from the success of those gigs, Rialto signed a deal with independent label, Fierce Panda Records, and are releasing their third album, which is the follow up to 2001’s Night On Earth, this month.

Neon & Ghost Signs sounds like a natural step on from its predecessor, which flirted with moody, Bowie-like electronica and Duran Duran-style ‘80s pop, as well as the dramatic, widescreen influences of John Barry and Ennio Morricone, which were all over Rialto’s 1998, self-titled debut album, but it also explores some new territory.

Comeback single and album opener, No One Leaves This Discotheque Alive, is a big statement of intent – over handclaps and a pounding disco groove, a lascivious Eliot is on the prowl in a nightclub, playing “the hound of London town, where the sheets are stained with gold.

It’s like a darker, sleazier cousin of Sophie Ellis-Bextor’s Murder on the Dancefloor.

The song was partly inspired by Eliot leaving behind a long-term relationship to immerse himself once more in London nightlife – a theme that has always played a large part in the band’s music.

There’s an urgency and a celebratory feel to a lot of the songs on Neon & Ghost Signs – this is down to a near-death experience Eliot had six years ago, when he was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery while on holiday in Spain.

“What you might think is if you have a very close to death experience you want to start looking after yourself,” he says. “I just went chasing full speed after my youth. I was just like, f*** it, I might not be here next week, so I’m just going to dive in!”

I Want You is a glitter-soaked, glam rock stomp, and there’s more epic disco on the shimmering, ABBA-flavoured, Taking The Edge Off Me, with its cascading piano and soaring strings.

The edgy and European-sounding, Put You On Hold, is John Barry-meets-the-Bee-Gees, while Cherry is delicious, futuristic robo-funk that struts the same catwalk as Bowie’s Fashion.

There are some reflective moments amidst all the dancefloor shenanigans. The album’s gorgeous title track, which is cocooned in warm, pulsing synths, is a bleary-eyed, comedown ballad that’s one of the best things Eliot has ever written – an ‘us against the world’ love song, like 1998’s The Underdogs.

Sandpaper Kisses is another relationship ballad, but it’s about love gone wrong:“Sandpaper kisses, stinging on your lips. The one you want to hold in your arms is slipping from your grip.”  

Eliot juxtaposes the barbed lyric with a charming and nostalgic tune that has echoes of ‘50s instrumental rock and roll duo Santo & Johnny, complete with a great, twangy guitar solo.

‘There are some reflective moments amidst all the dancefloor shenanigans. The album’s gorgeous title track, which is cocooned in warm, pulsing synths, is a bleary-eyed, comedown ballad that’s one of the best things Eliot has ever written’

The atmospheric and romantic ballad, Remembering To Forget, is so beautiful that Scott Walker could’ve sung it, while second single, the glam strut of Car That Never Comes, is another of Eliot’s songs about escaping and driving through the city under the cover of night – it can be parked alongside The Car That Took My Love Away, from 2000’s mini-album, Girl On A Train, and Drive from Night On Earth.

In an exclusive interview, Eliot speaks to Say It With Garage Flowers about writing the new album, and shares some of the influences and inspirations that shaped the songs on Neon & Ghost Signs.

“I genuinely think this album is the best one,” he tells us. “It’s a grown-up record but perhaps not a graceful one…”

Q&A

When we last spoke, in January 2024, after Rialto had reformed and played some comeback shows, which included some new songs, you said you were hoping to make a new album… Well, now it’s here and it’s being released by Fierce Panda Records…

Louis Eliot: Yeah – the new songs went down well live and Simon Williams from Fierce Panda was at some of the gigs, which was great… I was going to say he jumped on board, but he moved slowly but assuredly… (laughs). I immediately liked Fierce Panda – Simon and I got on, and he seemed to have the right attitude.

So, really, it was finishing off something that was already started. Some of the new songs were written since we spoke last year, but most of them were written in the last three or four years, and even further back. A couple of the songs had been knocking around for a while, but they felt like they fitted. There’s been a lifetime between this album and the last Rialto one, but what a luxury to have.

You told me you hadn’t originally set out to make a new Rialto album, but that the songs you were writing had more in common with Rialto than your solo work or the songs you’d done with your band, The Embers... So, was it a case that Rialto reformed by accident because the songs you’d written dictated it?

Louis Eliot: I’d say that’s true – it was a combination of different things coming together at the same time, and it just made absolute sense for it to be Rialto. I just felt that the songs were revisiting the same world but 20-odd years later, and I’ve got a slightly different perspective, and people have probably got a different perspective of me. A lot of it is about searching for thrills, isn’t it? But it’s also about heading out into the night to search for the person that you think you might’ve missed out on being… but what you find is some bruises in the morning…

A few years ago, you had a near-death experience in Spain and ended up in hospital, which made you re-evaluate your life. Some people decide to take it easy after a health scare, but it made you want to get back there and make the most of it while you still can, didn’t it?

Louis Eliot: There was definitely a feeling of that. It was quite a traumatic thing… It’s funny, but, after a few months, I felt pretty much like I’d recovered, and those clichés, like ‘life’s not a rehearsal,’ were resonating pretty deeply, so there were certain things in my life that I changed at that point. So, I dived in and I found myself back in the city at night, exploring and looking for something, although I’m not sure what…

The song Car That Never Comes is about hanging on for someone or something to carry you away. I think there are a few songs on the record that visit that feeling.

Car That Never Comes is the latest in a series of songs you’ve written about escaping at night by car… I’m thinking of Drive and The Car That Took My Love Away

Louis Eliot: I need to come up with some new ideas… (laughs). I think the first imagery that I came up with for the song was the headlights going past the window… Songs find themselves as you write them – you’re often not sure what they’re about and then it starts becoming clear… That song is about hanging on for something to happen, although whether it does or not…

The phrase ‘waiting for a car that never comes’ could also mean that someone is no longer famous – the car that used to pick them up to take them somewhere glamorous isn’t coming anymore…

Louis Eliot: Absolutely. I think there’s a feeling of the inevitable in that song – you know the car isn’t coming, yet you still hang on for it. That’s the double-edged sword that goes with that hedonistic pursuit.

The album has some of the classic Rialto hallmarks we know and love – the title alone, Neon & Ghost Signs, is very Rialto – but you’ve also added in some other influences, like disco and glam rock.

The first single and opening song, No One Leaves This Discotheque Alive, doesn’t mess around – we’re plunged straight back into that seedy world of London nightlife that Rialto inhabit, but it sounds like the dark, sleazy cousin of Murder on the Dancefloor by Sophie Ellis-Bextor…

Louis Eliot: I’m happy with that. I think that song came from when I was working on something for a friend, but I ended up using it for me. What can I say? I can definitely hear what you’re saying about Murder on the Dancefloor… I was thinking of ‘80s Leonard Cohen, but backed by Benny and Bjorn! I wanted a song that had that idea of knowing you’re on thin ice but you’re going to do a pirouette anyway! I hope it’s amusing – it’s not too dark and I hope people find some humour in it.

‘In a lot of ways, glam rock and disco are connected – they just wore different trousers…’

The album wouldn’t be a Rialto record if it didn’t have the things that people liked about Rialto from the past, but there wouldn’t have been a whole lot of point doing it if I hadn’t brought new things to it.

Louis Eliot

I think it feels like the natural successor to Night On Earth, even though it’s 24 years on.. You were exploring Bowie influences on that album, and the song Cherry on the new album has that feel – it reminds me of Fashion... It even has the ‘beep beep’ line in it…

Louis Eliot: I probably shouldn’t have done that, but it made me laugh. I shouldn’t laugh at my own jokes… I’d written this line: ‘you’re standing in the headlights, sleeping with the wrong types…’ When I was singing it, I found myself saying, ‘Beep, beep…’ It’s clearly a nod…

If you sit down with a record and try and rip it off, it’s never going to have any magic… In my head, I was actually doing something that was a bit Talking Heads when I was making that tune… Lyrically I was trying to do something that was impressionistic – like snatches of conversation at a party.  I was trying to paint a picture and put you in the scene, and, of course, there’s a Bowie influence, but I was thinking of Prince if he’d hung out with Bowie…

Put You On Hold has a disco feel, but a cinematic, European sound too…

Louis Eliot: I think you’re right – I agree.

It’s Barry Gibb meets John Barry…

Louis Eliot: (laughs): It’s John Barry-Gibb! That’s a good name for a band.

As well as disco, there’s some glam rock on the album: I Want You and Car That Never Comes

Louis Eliot: Yeah. In a lot of ways, glam rock and disco are connected – they just wore different trousers… One followed the other really. I think there’s a spirit in both of them that crosses over. That glam shuffle is just a great groove, isn’t it?

One of my favourite songs on the album is the title track, Neon & Ghost Signs, which is a classic Rialto ballad – an ‘us against the world’ love song that’s set against the backdrop of a rain-soaked, nocturnal London. I think it’s one of the best songs you’ve ever written…

Louis Eliot: Thank you. It’s one of those songs that came quite easily. Ghost signs, as you know, are those faded advertising hoardings that you see on the side of buildings, so Neon & Ghost Signs is about looking forwards and backwards at the same time – it’s the thrill of the neon and the draw of the night ahead, but you’re carrying the past with you. I was trying to write a song that isn’t just about a fleeting love – it’s somehow about a bigger love that comes about the older you get. It’s when you realise you have a connection with people and it’s about your experiences with them, regardless of whether you’re in a relationship, or whether you’ve moved on… All of that stuff counts and should be respected. I guess it’s coming to terms with that and singing the praises of those connections you have with people – even if it’s just on a night out. And I don’t just mean a romantic connection – it can be platonic… It’s the stuff that counts.

It’s also quite possibly the first pop song to mention ‘Nytol…’

Louis Eliot: (Laughs). Yeah – I want a sponsorship deal from them.

Remembering To Forget is another great song on the new record – it’s a ballad that’s so beautiful Scott Walker could’ve sung it… It has a lush, romantic ‘60s feel and then you make it a Rialto song by singing about vapour trails in the city… That’s a nice contrast…

Louis Eliot: Thanks – I hadn’t thought about that. I’m happy with that. It’s quite a sad song but it also has a funny feeling about it – it has something…

Sandpaper Kisses is a highlight for me – it’s another ballad, and it has an atmospheric ‘50s sound, with twangy guitar. I could imagine Richard Hawley singing it…

Louis Eliot: I didn’t set out to write a ‘50s crooner ballad, but, of course, it’s got some of that, but it’s offset with a drum machine. I’m really glad you like that song because I was toying with putting it on the record or not, and I’m now glad I did because it’s gone down well. People have said it’s like Little Anthony & The Imperials or Patsy Cline.

So, are you pleased with the album? You should be… it’s great…

Louis Eliot:  I am. I genuinely think it’s the best one. I know bands always love the latest thing they’ve made, but I think it’s a good album and that age has helped me write a better record. I’ve had more experiences and I’m better at writing somehow. And why not? Leonard Cohen carried on writing great records…

It’s an unalloyed look at being middle-aged. It’s a grown-up record but perhaps not a graceful one.

It has its tongue in its cheek at times, and it’s also celebratory… It’s occasionally melancholy and reflective, but not self-pitying…

Louis Eliot: It’s like a mid-life crisis, but I like it! It’s not packed with obvious jokes but I hope people can sense that it’s not taking itself too seriously and neither am I. I think I do have a melancholic strain in my writing…

You’re playing some UK gigs this year, including some supporting Sleeper. Will you be going to discotheques after the shows?

Louis Eliot: Why ever not?

Neon & Ghost Signs is released on April 25 (Fierce Panda Records).

For Rialto live dates, visit www.rialtomusic.com

‘I’m somewhere between indie-rock and Americana, although I probably won’t be accepted by either scene!’

 

Matt James

 

Singer-songwriter Matt James, who was formerly the drummer with ‘90s Brit indie-rockers Gene, is back with a brand-new single, The Reprieve, which sees him showcasing a much heavier sound.

Produced by Stephen Street (The Smiths, Morrissey, The Cranberries, Blur, The Rails) at his London studio, The Bunker, it’s a full-on, powerful, moody and rousing rock track, with some crunching, ‘foot on monitor’ electric guitar and Sympathy For The Devil-style ‘wooh-wooh’ backing vocals. 

Quite frankly, James sounds like he’s taking no prisoners and that he’s going to come round your house and kick your front door in!

“On my first album [Breaking The Fall – 2022] I was experimenting with a lot of different sounds and now I’ve moved forward,” he tells Say It With Garage Flowers.

“I’ve done some quite plaintive songs – I had a very tough 2023 and 2024, after the death of my sister – so I wanted to do something that was a bit more hard-hitting. I was just desperate to rock out really!”

He adds: “For my live shows, I don’t have a band – I play with John Hornig [on pedal steel] – but, when it comes to the kind of records I want to put out, I dream of having a band one day. Going in the studio is my opportunity to rock out a bit.”

Gene

As well as featuring Hornig of Hastings-based Americana troupe, The Longshore Drifters, on pedal steel, The Reprieve also has two of James’s ex-Gene bandmates on it: Steve Mason (lead guitar) and Kev Miles (bass).

‘I wanted to do something that was a bit more hard-hitting. I was just desperate to rock out really!’

“It’s always really special to see them – they’ve been brilliant at supporting me,” says James. “I’ve got some plans to work with some other people as well. I’m hoping to work with Danny and Julian Wilson from Grand Drive – it’s been planned for a year, but hasn’t happened, although Julian has recorded some piano for a song.

“It’s in the pipeline and hopefully we’ll get it over the line this year. It’s one of many things I want to do. It’s good calling in musician friends – everyone has been very generous. Mick Talbot is on the next single, which is a right barnstormer! It has a Stonesy vibe, like Let’s Spend The Night Together. You can look forward to that one.”

Q&A

How did The Reprieve come about? Is it one of the newer songs you’ve written?

Matt James: It’s a newer song, but I had a version of it that sounded a bit like Ian Dury and the Blockheads – it was a funk-type thing. Just before I recorded it, I had a percussion loop, and I did an indie-blues-rock version of it. It’s somewhere in-between indie-rock and Americana, I suppose, which is a good place – I kind of like that. I probably won’t be accepted by either scene! (laughs).

I fell into Americana by accident – I was at an Alan Tyler gig in Hastings, and that’s where I met John Hornig. He told me that he was a pedal steel player, and he could play banjo – that’s his first instrument. I told him that I’d like to use pedal steel in a slightly different way, as textures and atmosphere, rather than traditional, [cowboy] hat-wearing country, and he loved the idea of that.

You’d explored country music when you were in Gene – a song like Why I Was Born has country influences…

Matt James: It does – that was Steve who came up with that. I loved R.E.M, and Steve and I used to love Big Star. There was also a lot of classic rock and bluesy influences in Gene, so I don’t think my influences have changed… The Clash were my favourite band at school – I was a bit of a punk snob, as you should be – but in my twenties I listened to everything. 

What inspired the lyrics to The Reprieve?

Matt James: It’s about my own musical journey – doing it in my own time – and it’s slightly about knocking on doors… I knocked on a few that were shut! (laughs).

Everything I’ve done in my life seems to take far longer than anyone else – it takes me time to get good at something. I joined bands when I was 15, and I went to college in London when I was 18, for the sole reason of joining a band. I didn’t get anywhere until I was 26, and when I got my first proper job as a musician, I was 29. It took a hell of a long time from when I was a 15-year-old boy joining a band to telling my parents I was earning money for the first time.

Steve and Martin [Rossiter – Gene vocalist] were 21, but me and Kev were a bit older. It’s been the same with my solo stuff – I’m quite long in the tooth, but I’m determined to improve, and I think I’m doing that.

‘Musicians like myself have to have another job – you have to be selling out big venues to be doing it full-time. That’s just the way of the world’

There’s a whole culture of music journalists – not including yourself – who will delete without reading… That’s quite depressing, but the leveller for musicians like me is that you can use Spotify and reach a vast audience without having to use the industry at all – all the people that are charging for PR and radio… You can cut through that, and that was never possible before, but it’s depressing that you don’t get paid [from streaming]. Musicians like myself have to have another job – you have to be selling out big venues to be doing it full-time. That’s just the way of the world.

Any plans to make a second solo album?

Matt James: I’ve got four tracks recorded – it’s difficult for me to do it as much as I’d like to – and I have enough songs for an album. I’ve got to tick things off bit by bit – that’s the lot of the musician.

Did you have any songs left over from recording your debut record?

Matt James: I ended up with about five or six. A lot of those I’ve put into the mix and I’ve chopped and changed them… It’s good to have a lot of material to draw on – in any spare moment I’ve got, I’m down in my garden office/studio and playing the guitar, writing or demoing. I can’t spare whole days on it, but if I have a spare 10 minutes, I’ll pick up a guitar.

‘I need to do music. I’m depressed if I don’t’

I do music for two reasons – one is the pure freedom of expression, which sounds cheesy, but it’s not – I mean that wholeheartedly. I need to do it – I’m depressed if I don’t. Secondly, it’s because by using all the experience I’ve had, I hope that I might one day write a song that might completely change my world. That’s the goal – to write a song that could genuinely crossover and is seen as a bit of a classic. It’s not easy to do that, but, God, I’m going to give it a go.

The Reprieve is out now on streaming services. Matt James is playing The Jenny Lind in Hastings, East Sussex, on Friday January 31: doors 5pm. Details here.

You can listen to our Matt James playlist on Spotify below.