‘I’m somewhere between indie-rock and Americana, although I probably won’t be accepted by either scene!’

 

Matt James

 

Singer-songwriter Matt James, who was formerly the drummer with ‘90s Brit indie-rockers Gene, is back with a brand-new single, The Reprieve, which sees him showcasing a much heavier sound.

Produced by Stephen Street (The Smiths, Morrissey, The Cranberries, Blur, The Rails) at his London studio, The Bunker, it’s a full-on, powerful, moody and rousing rock track, with some crunching, ‘foot on monitor’ electric guitar and Sympathy For The Devil-style ‘wooh-wooh’ backing vocals. 

Quite frankly, James sounds like he’s taking no prisoners and that he’s going to come round your house and kick your front door in!

“On my first album [Breaking The Fall – 2022] I was experimenting with a lot of different sounds and now I’ve moved forward,” he tells Say It With Garage Flowers.

“I’ve done some quite plaintive songs – I had a very tough 2023 and 2024, after the death of my sister – so I wanted to do something that was a bit more hard-hitting. I was just desperate to rock out really!”

He adds: “For my live shows, I don’t have a band – I play with John Hornig [on pedal steel] – but, when it comes to the kind of records I want to put out, I dream of having a band one day. Going in the studio is my opportunity to rock out a bit.”

Gene

As well as featuring Hornig of Hastings-based Americana troupe, The Longshore Drifters, on pedal steel, The Reprieve also has two of James’s ex-Gene bandmates on it: Steve Mason (lead guitar) and Kev Miles (bass).

‘I wanted to do something that was a bit more hard-hitting. I was just desperate to rock out really!’

“It’s always really special to see them – they’ve been brilliant at supporting me,” says James. “I’ve got some plans to work with some other people as well. I’m hoping to work with Danny and Julian Wilson from Grand Drive – it’s been planned for a year, but hasn’t happened, although Julian has recorded some piano for a song.

“It’s in the pipeline and hopefully we’ll get it over the line this year. It’s one of many things I want to do. It’s good calling in musician friends – everyone has been very generous. Mick Talbot is on the next single, which is a right barnstormer! It has a Stonesy vibe, like Let’s Spend The Night Together. You can look forward to that one.”

Q&A

How did The Reprieve come about? Is it one of the newer songs you’ve written?

Matt James: It’s a newer song, but I had a version of it that sounded a bit like Ian Dury and the Blockheads – it was a funk-type thing. Just before I recorded it, I had a percussion loop, and I did an indie-blues-rock version of it. It’s somewhere in-between indie-rock and Americana, I suppose, which is a good place – I kind of like that. I probably won’t be accepted by either scene! (laughs).

I fell into Americana by accident – I was at an Alan Tyler gig in Hastings, and that’s where I met John Hornig. He told me that he was a pedal steel player, and he could play banjo – that’s his first instrument. I told him that I’d like to use pedal steel in a slightly different way, as textures and atmosphere, rather than traditional, [cowboy] hat-wearing country, and he loved the idea of that.

You’d explored country music when you were in Gene – a song like Why I Was Born has country influences…

Matt James: It does – that was Steve who came up with that. I loved R.E.M, and Steve and I used to love Big Star. There was also a lot of classic rock and bluesy influences in Gene, so I don’t think my influences have changed… The Clash were my favourite band at school – I was a bit of a punk snob, as you should be – but in my twenties I listened to everything. 

What inspired the lyrics to The Reprieve?

Matt James: It’s about my own musical journey – doing it in my own time – and it’s slightly about knocking on doors… I knocked on a few that were shut! (laughs).

Everything I’ve done in my life seems to take far longer than anyone else – it takes me time to get good at something. I joined bands when I was 15, and I went to college in London when I was 18, for the sole reason of joining a band. I didn’t get anywhere until I was 26, and when I got my first proper job as a musician, I was 29. It took a hell of a long time from when I was a 15-year-old boy joining a band to telling my parents I was earning money for the first time.

Steve and Martin [Rossiter – Gene vocalist] were 21, but me and Kev were a bit older. It’s been the same with my solo stuff – I’m quite long in the tooth, but I’m determined to improve, and I think I’m doing that.

‘Musicians like myself have to have another job – you have to be selling out big venues to be doing it full-time. That’s just the way of the world’

There’s a whole culture of music journalists – not including yourself – who will delete without reading… That’s quite depressing, but the leveller for musicians like me is that you can use Spotify and reach a vast audience without having to use the industry at all – all the people that are charging for PR and radio… You can cut through that, and that was never possible before, but it’s depressing that you don’t get paid [from streaming]. Musicians like myself have to have another job – you have to be selling out big venues to be doing it full-time. That’s just the way of the world.

Any plans to make a second solo album?

Matt James: I’ve got four tracks recorded – it’s difficult for me to do it as much as I’d like to – and I have enough songs for an album. I’ve got to tick things off bit by bit – that’s the lot of the musician.

Did you have any songs left over from recording your debut record?

Matt James: I ended up with about five or six. A lot of those I’ve put into the mix and I’ve chopped and changed them… It’s good to have a lot of material to draw on – in any spare moment I’ve got, I’m down in my garden office/studio and playing the guitar, writing or demoing. I can’t spare whole days on it, but if I have a spare 10 minutes, I’ll pick up a guitar.

‘I need to do music. I’m depressed if I don’t’

I do music for two reasons – one is the pure freedom of expression, which sounds cheesy, but it’s not – I mean that wholeheartedly. I need to do it – I’m depressed if I don’t. Secondly, it’s because by using all the experience I’ve had, I hope that I might one day write a song that might completely change my world. That’s the goal – to write a song that could genuinely crossover and is seen as a bit of a classic. It’s not easy to do that, but, God, I’m going to give it a go.

The Reprieve is out now on streaming services. Matt James is playing The Jenny Lind in Hastings, East Sussex, on Friday January 31: doors 5pm. Details here.

You can listen to our Matt James playlist on Spotify below. 

‘I was really quite sad about never doing music again – I think it’s what I’m best at…’

“I’ve got pheasants following me around – they’re not pets, honestly,” says Matt ‘the Hat’ James, former Gene-drummer-turned-singer-songwriter, speaking to Say It With Garage Flowers on the phone from his garden in the East Sussex countryside, shortly before the release of his debut solo album, Breaking The Fall.

Despite the local birdlife, he hasn’t turned into an eccentric rock star recluse, although after the demise of Gene and his next band, Palace Fires, several years ago, he did leave the music business to pursue a career as a wine merchant, but he’s recently been tempted back into it, and, in 2019, he started writing songs on his own for the first time and rekindled his passion. Three years later, the results are now out in the wider world.

“Having the record out there is the best feeling – I can’t stop looking at the vinyl,” he enthuses. “Musically, I think it’s strong enough to win over new fans.”

It’s hard to argue with him. Listening to Breaking The Fall, which is one of our favourite albums of the year so far, it’s clear that he’s got his mojo back.

Although it’s a debut record, it sounds like a best of collection – 10 memorable, varied and, at times, very personal and emotional, songs that embrace folk, country/ Americana, soul, indie-rock, Spaghetti Western soundtracks and ’60s pop. 

‘Having the record out there is the best feeling – I can’t stop looking at the vinyl. Musically, I think it’s strong enough to win over new fans’

Occasionally it recalls Gene –  the country-soul of A Simple Message and the anthemic ballad Different World – but most of the time, it’s the sound of someone experimenting with different styles and enjoying being in the studio again after a long time away.

“I’m sort of trying everything out – I have thrown it all in there. Perhaps on future albums I’ll take more of a single direction,” he says. 

Stepping out from behind the drum kit to put himself in the spotlight for the first time, Matt has relied on some old friends to help him out.

Former Gene band mates Steve Mason (guitar) and Kevin Miles (bass) are along for the ride, as is keyboard player, Mick Talbot, (The Style Council, Dexys Midnight Runners), who played live with Gene and on radio sessions.

Production duties are taken care of by former Gene associate, Stephen Street, (The Smiths / Morrissey, Blur, The Cranberries) – sonically, the album is rich, colourful and diverse – and there’s some guitar work by James’s friend, Peredur ap Gwynedd (Perry for short), from electronic rockers Pendulum.

We got Matt to talk us through the writing and recording of Breaking The Fall, share some of his thoughts on the songs and let us know what it feels like to be back in the game… 

Q &A

I was expecting the album to open with a big song, but the first track, From Now On, is quite low-key, with a country/Americana feel. It’s stripped-back…

Matt James: I deliberately wanted that – it suits the nature of the lyrics, which are about coming home. It’s a little folky number and the song is a metaphor for me returning to do music. That’s a general theme on the album.

I didn’t want a big bang at the front – I wanted it to be like the Badly Drawn Boy album [The Hour of Bewilderbeast] with something little at the beginning, before one of the big tunes.

The song sounds like it has an accordion on it…

That’s Mick Talbot doing an accordion sound on the keyboard. He’s multi-talented and he’s good to hang out with – he’s so funny. He has a brilliant sense of humour and his stories are immense. He’s full of energy and the moment he plays, it lifts any room. It was quite a moment having Mick there, because I hadn’t really seen him since he played with Gene.

Champione was written about your dad…

MJ: Yeah – he was someone that I loved but he was plagued with problems, and it was quite difficult being his son. Throughout his whole life, he continued to go downhill, and he ended up getting quite desperate and being very needy of everyone else, without going into details.

‘I’m more likely to better communicate the things I want to talk about in my songs  if they’re about highly personal subjects. That’s the great thing about writing – it’s a cathartic experience’

He was a difficult character – the song starts off being quite angry. I call him “champione of none” but I end up forgiving him. When someone has passed away you have the choice to remember the good stuff – if you want – but it’s tempered with the difficulties. I now think of him fondly most of the time, but I really wanted to get it out in this song.

I’m more likely to better communicate the things I want to talk about in my songs if they’re about highly personal subjects that are unique to me. That’s the great thing about writing – it’s a cathartic experience.

High Time is another autobiographical song. It’s about the serious road accident that your pre-Gene band, Spin, were involved with, back in 1991, and it also mentions the first time you met Martin Rossiter – who went on to front Gene – in the Underworld, in Camden…

MJ: Yes – that song and Champione were two hard ones to write.  I’m quite glad I did it – I hadn’t done it before and I didn’t know how it would feel. I was determined to put some real emotions and some reality in them. On those particular songs on the LP, I think I’ve made that connection the best. There are touches of comedy in some of the lyrics.

High Time is dark and atmospheric…

MJ: It’s a difficult subject matter – I wanted a sombre, driving feel and I was thinking Johnny Cash. The song is about random events – good and bad. Things that you don’t have any control over, but they can completely change your life. It’s an interesting concept.

The title track is one of the darker and saddest songs on the record – a big, anthemic ballad. Why did you choose that one to name the album after?

MJ: It was mainly because of the lyric – me returning to music. I’ve never written songs completely on my before. I’m a pretty happy guy and I’ve got a good life… but I looked at myself and, under the exterior, I was really quite sad about never doing music again, because, if I’m honest, I think it’s probably what I’m best at.

People I knew were making a stand and doing their music, and I wasn’t doing anything, so I took a decision to reverse that. That’s what Breaking The Fall is about – it conjures up the sadness of it. I’m drawing under a line under it, but it’s a long journey back and I think I will improve a lot from here.

When did you first start writing songs on your own?

MJ: 2019. The first song I wrote was Snowy Peaks – it was a joyful one. I wrote the verse while I was on holiday and it was sort of a love song. I played it to Steve Mason and he said: ‘That’s really good, but you need another bit…’

That was the turning point. I wrote a lot of songs for the album. It was a bit like with Gene, when, for some albums, we would write 20 or 25 tracks. I remembered that you have to do that to have a strong record. After I finished the album, I had songs left over and I’ve written quite a few more.

The album is very varied in styles. Born To Rule has mariachi horns on it and a bit of a Spaghetti Western feel..

That’s me experimenting – I’m sort of trying everything out. Perhaps on future albums I’ll take more of a single direction.

 

I think the two songs that most remind me of Gene on the album are A Simple Message and Different World

MJ: Yeah – I didn’t want to do too much like that. I was aware of it. I was channelling Gene with A Simple Message – I had that kind of guitar style…

It was also the first single you released from the album…

MJ: Kev said that song was his favourite – I knew it was a strong song. It’s definitely one of the best on the album.

On Different World, I was channelling Burt Bacharach and Dusty Springfield – that’s sort of where I was coming from. Whether I succeeded or not, I don’t know…

I can definitely hear that.

MJ: It also has a strong and simple lyric.

Sad, which has a soul feel, is one of my favourite songs on the record. It has Mick Talbot on keys, which gives it a slight Jam and Style Council vibe. The chorus is great…

MJ: My niece, Olivia, who is still at school, sings backing vocals on it. She stepped up… she loves musical theatre. She’d never been in a recording studio before and it was really good fun. She came up to London and it was a great day – she sang on two tracks, Sad and Snowy Peaks.

‘On Different World, I was channelling Burt Bacharach and Dusty Springfield – that’s where I was coming from. Whether I succeeded or not, I don’t know…’

The last song on the album, Fireships, starts off stripped-down, but it soon builds and turns into an epic…

MJ: It’s a song about a breakup – I’m wallowing in self pity. Many people will understand that. I really do like the end section – it’s probably my favourite bit of music on the album. I’m a real sucker for an anthemic song that builds.

It’s a nice way to close the album. The whole record feels like a complete piece of work – 10 songs, bang-bang-bang and no messing around. It works well on vinyl too  – five songs on each side. Like the old days. I think too many acts make albums that are overlong. Ten or 12 songs, at a push, will do me just fine..

MJ: I agree – you don’t need to outstay your welcome. Put them on another album or an EP. I think 10 is about right. It felt good for this record. I don’t think I put even the best songs on there but it’s the 10 that worked at the time. I know I have some other really strong songs.

Let’s talk about recording the album. You made it at Stephen Street’s studio, in Latimer Road, West London, but do you also have a home studio?

MJ: I have my drum kit and guitars in my office, but the only thing I record on [at home] is my phone. I went to proper studios to record the drums – not at Streety’s because he doesn’t have a drum room.

Steve Mason and I tend to send things to each other via WhatsApp – he recently sent me an absolutely brilliant riff that’s really bluesy. I love it!

Steve, Kev and Mick all came to Streety’s studio in Latimer Road – Damon Albarn does his Gorillaz stuff there upstairs – we saw him around. He was nice. I haven’t been in that world for so long.

How did it feel being back in it?

MJ: It was really nice, but there were times when I felt a bit shy being back in a recording studio.

How was it working with Stephen Street?

MJ: He’s a real grafter – he puts a proper shift in and can put his hand to anything. He works his arse off until about six o’clock at night. I remembered that from when I worked with him in the Spin days – we were signed to his record label.

‘I’m basically a wine merchant who’s putting music out’

He took the demos for my album – he went through everything and picked what he wanted. Some we rerecorded completely. Streety produced the whole album, but it’s not a big-budget production – I couldn’t afford that.

Perry from Pendulum plays guitar on the record…

MJ: He’s a mate and is a super talent. For someone who is quite a metaller, he can play so much – he can shred it and go super-fast, but he was a session musician for many years, playing on so many different records, like Natalie Imbruglia.

Matt James performing at Shanklin Theatre, Isle of Wight. Picture by Embracing Unique with Laura Holme.

The album’s available on vinyl and digital. Any plans for a CD version?

MJ: Not at the moment – I’m basically a wine merchant who’s putting music out. I don’t have any management, but everyone’s helped out and stepped up. I feel that it’s very early days.

I think the album will be a word of mouth record…

MJ: Musically it’s strong enough to win over new people. Some Gene fans will be supportive but they’re fans of Gene – they’re not fans of me. They might wish me well, but they like to hear Martin singing! [laughs].

I’ve got to find my audience – I’ve drawn a line in the sand and I’m making my way back. Every little thing that comes in just cheers me up. It’s not like I’ve just been signed by a major label and they’re saying, ‘You’ve got to do bloody well, mate, or you’re out on your own…’ It’s a nice feeling – let’s see where it goes.

Breaking The Fall is out now on vinyl and digital (Costermonger Records)

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