‘I wasn’t thinking about putting an album out – my music is unfashionable and I’m a bald man in his mid-fifties – but the songs appeared, and I recorded them…’

Polite Company  – aka Alan Gregg. Photograph by Kerry Brown

One of my favourite albums of 2024 was Please Go Wild by Polite Company – the new project from London-based songwriter, Alan Gregg.

Released in May this year, it was a lovingly and brilliantly crafted record of melodic, wry and observational power-pop songs with a melancholy undercurrent.

Reminiscent of Fountains of Wayne and Squeeze at times, Gregg has a knack of composing a killer tune, as well as penning clever and amusing lyrical couplets – more on that later…

On Please Go Wild, he tackles topical subjects including super yachts and the oligarchs who buy them (New Yacht), the rise and fall of charismatic tech entrepreneur, Adam Neumann, (Barefoot Billionaire: ‘He’s the star of the new tech boom/You can find him in the meditation room.’ ) and press intrusion and PR manipulation on Perfectly Good Explanation, which is flavoured with Mariachi brass.  

“Some of these songs kind of wrote themselves after reading newspaper articles about people in high places doing dodgy things,” says Gregg. “Rock stars are generally pretty well behaved these days. If you really want to see bad behaviour, read the business pages.”

First single and album opener, Circulation, could be the happiest song about depression you’ll ever hear, while Second Chance Charity Store is a delightful, piano-led, country-tinged tune inspired by a second-hand shop, which looks at the staff who work there and the hipsters who hunt for bargains amongst the bric-a-brac.

‘Please Go Wild is a lovingly and brilliantly crafted record of melodic, wry and observational power-pop songs with a melancholy undercurrent’

 

Previously a member of New Zealand band, The Mutton Birds, who were signed to Virgin Records in the late ’90s, Gregg, who has recorded with Neil Finn and had a song covered by Ron Sexsmith, also released a self-titled, bubblegum pop album under the name Marshmallow in 2003. 

That record included the wonderful Casting Couch – a song written about the darker and seedier side of Hollywood that has become even more relevant in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal and the MeToo movement.

 

Please Go Wild was recorded mostly in Gregg’s home studio in North London, but additional recording was done by Sean Read (Dexys, The Hanging Stars, Soulsavers) at his Famous Times Studio in Clapton, East London – Read also plays brass and percussion on the album, and Paul Lush (Danny & the Champions of the World) guests on guitar on Perfectly Good Explanation. 

As well as Fountains of Wayne, Gregg’s music has also attracted comparisons to The Go-Betweens.

“At the time of recording this album I was listening a lot to ’70s songwriters like Mike Nesmith and Gilbert O’Sullivan,” he says. “In fact, for a while the working title for the album was The Gilbertweens.”

In an exclusive interview carried out over coffee in his North London home, Gregg tells Say It With Garage Flowers how the self-released Please Go Wild came about, reflects on the craft of good, old-fashioned songwriting and reveals some of his influences and inspirations.

On releasing the album, he says: “If you sat down and looked at the pros and cons of doing it, it might seem like a crazy thing to do, but a good song is a good song, and I just wanted to get it out there in some way and let it do what it does.”

Q&A

I love your new album. It’s a collection of wonderfully crafted, observational and old-fashioned guitar pop songs that are full of clever lyrical couplets, but with an edge and a melancholy to them…

Alan Gregg: Yes… A friend of mine, who was quoting somebody that I can’t remember, used the phrase, ‘a pleasing sense of melancholy’, which I quite like.

You mentioned couplets… I’m actually a bass player. I sang on the Marshmallow album, but usually I’m a backing vocalist… I thought that if I was going to be singing, I needed to give people a reason to listen because I don’t feel like a confident singer. I love couplets and I don’t mind how corny they are… I like corny rhymes.

Some of your lyrics remind me of Chris Difford from Squeeze, and, like Squeeze, you combine them with a strong pop sensibility…

Alan Gregg: Yes… Some of those early Squeeze songs had great rhyming couplets.

I think Up The Junction has one of the greatest opening lines ever: ‘I never thought it would happen with me and the girl from Clapham….’

Alan Gregg: That’s genius – it’s a great opening line.

There are some great rhymes in some of your songs – I like the line in Barefoot Billionaire: ‘He’s a force of nature, a wheeler dealer, with a taste for weed and tequila…’

Alan Gregg: Anyone can come up with a couplet, but to build up some good ones that can surprise you, make sense or make you laugh is hard to do – Leonard Cohen was the master of good couplets. Everyone thinks he’s miserable, but some of his couplets are very funny.

‘I love couplets and I don’t mind how corny they are…’

If you have a good couplet, it’s like having a really well-made guitar… you know it’s good, and it’s got quality and substance. It’s really satisfying. I also like a lot of impressionistic writers, like Neil Finn – he’s got the voice to carry it off. When he sings anything, you think, ‘That’s beautiful…’ but I never had the voice to fall back on.

Do you think that way of writing pop songs with clever couplets is now seen as being old-fashioned?

Alan Gregg: I think it is, but the craft of writing songs, where couplets and melodies hang it all together has changed. I’m not comparing myself to Ray Davies, but his songwriting is an amazing thing to be able to do or to aspire to. It’s probably not something that a lot of people care about now…

Your new album hangs together as a solid piece of work. Were all the songs written with the intention of making a record, or do some come from a while back?

Alan Gregg: Two of the songs are from poems that a friend of mine from New Zealand wrote: Peculiar Julia and Shrinking Violet. His name is James Brown – he’s quite a well-known poet in New Zealand – and he put a book out [Floods Another Chamber, 2017].

Those two poems were on facing pages. I did those two songs first – I said they sounded like song lyrics and he said, ‘Give it a go…’ I wasn’t really thinking about making an album but then a whole bunch of songs just emerged, like Circulation, Barefoot Millionaire and Perfectly Good Explanation – I just sort of vomited them out!

So, when was that?

Alan Gregg:  Just after Covid… As I wasn’t thinking about putting an album out, I actually talked to a couple of people, one of whom was Tom Collinson [Danny and the Champions of the World], about finding singers – he knows everybody and he loves Gerry Rafferty, Crowded House and Supertramp. I thought he would know a singer, so I sent some songs to him, but he said the person singing the songs should be the person who did the demo, because the songs had an everyman quality. I agreed with him.

Alan Gregg – photograph by Kerry Brown

‘I wasn’t really thinking about making an album but then a whole bunch of songs just emerged, like Circulation, Barefoot Millionaire and Perfectly Good Explanation – I just sort of vomited them out!’

So, you recorded the album and put it out yourself rather than working with a label…

Alan Gregg: With Marshmallow, I worked with two labels that ceased to exist – it was hard and I didn’t need to do that again. I wasn’t thinking I would put an album out for all the reasons we just talked about – my music is unfashionable – and I’m a bald man in his mid-fifties… But the songs appeared, and I recorded them. The music industry has changed so much, and it felt like an uphill slog, but something happened… I had a moment and I decided I wasn’t going to be overwhelmed by it.

People have been putting out music long before Spotify existed, and they will after it stops… I thought it was worth doing it for the sake of doing it, and there are a few Marshmallow, Mutton Birds and power-pop fans around the world. The album has been selling on Bandcamp and it’s getting played on Spotify.

I think it’s going to be a word-of-mouth record…

Alan Gregg: Yeah – so, if you approach it from that point of view, without any expectations and without thinking you’re competing with anybody else…. If you sat down and looked at the pros and cons of doing it, it might seem like a crazy thing to do, but a good song is a good song, and I just wanted to get it out there in some way and let it do what it does.

You were listening to songwriters like Mike Nesmith and Gilbert O’Sullivan while you were writing the songs, weren’t you?

Alan Gregg:  I like those sort of slightly goofy guys – there’s a humour in their music and they come across as not taking themselves too seriously. I felt like that was a good area to be in – music with a good sense of humour and good tunes.

When Mike Nesmith died, everybody claimed to love him and professed what great fans of his they were, although they never mentioned him when he was alive… Gilbert O’Sullivan isn’t a fashionable name to drop, but I like the fact that him and Nesmith were a bit out of the mainstream…

D0 you like Randy Newman too?

Alan Gregg: I love Randy Newman – he has some great couplets too.

What’s your songwriting method? What comes first – the music or the lyrics?

Alan Gregg: I do tend to write the words first. For example, I had the words for Circulation… the chorus was spinning around in my head for months and months, and one day I read an interview with Joe Strummer, and he said that The Clash always operated on instinct rather than intellect, which is quite an obvious thing to say, but I thought, ‘wow – that’s really good,’ and the next day I said, ‘I’ve got to finish the Circulation song’ and I thought about instinct not intellect… I wrote the lyric in five or ten minutes, didn’t change it and I never looked back. 

Circulation feels like the right song to open the album with – it’s about getting back on your feet again after being depressed and out of the loop. You haven’t made a record for a long time and now you’re back with a new album. The song, which was also the first single from the record, is very apt…

Alan Gregg: That was the idea – it came along after a few of the other songs, but when I realised I was making an album a certain amount of fear crept in… I was like, ‘What the hell am I doing?’ and I think Circulation came from around that time.

The song Perfectly Good Explanation is a topical one – it deals with privacy issues and the media, and it mentions a love rat… a man who cheats on his wife…

Alan Gregg: It is a topical song – the love rat came from when Matt Hancock was photographed cheating on his wife and I also read the book The Age of Surveillance Capitalism [by Shoshana Zuboff], which is great… One of the verses was inspired by that.

New Yacht is another great social commentary song – it mentions oligarchs and weapons – and it also has some lovely lyrical couplets, rhymes and half-rhymes in it.. 

Alan Gregg: Mojitos and torpedoes…

One of my favourite songs on the album is Second Chance Charity Store – it’s up there with Bennett Wilson Poole’s Wilson General Store when it comes to great, jangly guitar pop songs about shops… Funnily enough, Wilson General Store was written about band member Danny Wilson’s family shop, and there’s also a Danny mentioned in your song… 

Alan Gregg: I saw a sign that read ‘Second Chance Charity Store’ – I think it was when I was in the States years ago. I always remembered the name of the shop.  I played bass with Danny Wilson [Bennett Wilson Poole and Danny & the Champions of the World] for a few shows when he did his solo album. We played at a festival and he left his sleeping bag in my car. He came back to my house in London to get it, and I was working on the song Second Chance Charity Store at the time… He called me from the Tube station and said he was going to go to the Oxfam shop opposite, so it’s that Danny! I needed a name for the song… Hipsters go to charity shops because they find cool stuff.

It’s an old-fashioned way of writing a song – it started with the idea of the shop, the lyrics came reasonably quickly, and it was based on a real situation.

Alan Gregg – photograph by Kerry Brown

Talking of real life… Barefoot Billionaire was inspired by the disgraced, WeWork tech billionaire Adam Neumann…

Alan Gregg: I read an article – the first line of it was, ‘He’s the star of the new tech boom,’ and then it mentioned a meditation room…  There’s a book about him called Billion Dollar Loser [by Reeves Wiedeman], which is fantastic – it reads like a thriller.

People used to say that Adam Neumann was incredibly charismatic – one person said he imagined it was like meeting Julius Caesar… He could stand up at ridiculous tech events and win over a whole room. A guy from SoftBank who invested four billion dollars in Adam Neumann’s company did it based on a 15-minute meeting with him…

That song has a lot of couplets that I love – when they come along, it’s a nice feeling. Some people don’t like the quirkiness or the corniness, but I don’t care about that.

Please Go Wild by Polite Company is out now. 

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‘Our default setting is fairly optimistic, but I think these lyrics are the darkest I’ve ever written’

The Hanging Stars

The last time I spoke to London’s kings of cosmic country, The Hanging Stars, it was late January 2020 – ahead of the release of their third album, A New Kind Of Sky, which was their best to date – a mix of cinematic sounds, psych, jangle-pop, folk and country rock.

We spent the evening in a pub in London’s East End, chatting about the record. While I was getting a round in, a man standing at the bar, who told me he worked for the NHS, said he and his colleagues were very worried about a new virus that had originated from China…

It’s now over two years later, in early February, and I’m back in a London pub, this time on the edge of the West End, in Denmark Street – Tin Pan Alley and guitar-shopping destination –  with The Hanging Stars… well, one of them, frontman, Richard Olson.

We have a brand new album to discuss, the brilliant Hollow Heart, and it’s the first interview he’s given about the record.

Hollow Heart is even better than its predecessor and sees The Hanging Stars pushing themselves harder from both a songwriting and sonic perspective. It’s also the band’s first record on independent label, Loose.

There’s a lot that’s happened since we last met. We could be here a while…

Q&A

The last time we spoke was two years ago, just before Covid happened…

Richard Olson: And here we are again, when the clouds have passed.

In the wake of Brexit, several of the lyrics on your last album, A New Kind Of Sky, dealt with the idea of escaping and getting away to a better place. To make your new record, Hollow Heart, you did escape, decamping to Edwyn Collins’ Clashnarrow Studios in Helmsdale, in The Highlands of Scotland – it overlooks the North Sea – with producer and musician Sean Read (Soulsavers, Dexys Midnight Runners), whom you’ve worked with before. How did that come about?

RO: We’re not blessed financially – we do what we can when we can. Every record has been based on that. At the end of the day, we’re a grassroots band.

Edwyn offered us the use of his studio – it felt like being anointed – and Sean is one of the two engineers who he lets work there – the stars aligned. That happened during the pandemic, so we had to find a window when we were allowed to do it. It was quite a project, transporting six people to Helmsdale, with a bunch of instruments.

“Edwyn Collins offered us the use of his studio – it felt like being anointed”

We drove in two cars and we set to work – we grafted and we were so focused. It was magical from start to finish. When you’re standing in the studio, and the sun’s setting over the bay, and you’re singing Weep & Whisper, that shit makes you think that you’ve made it! We got given this chance and we had to deliver the goods.

It certainly shows – sonically, it’s rich and immersive, and I think it’s your most cohesive record. Hollow Heart feels like a complete album, from start to finish, and you can completely lose yourself in it. Did you have all the songs written before you went into the studio?

RO: I write constantly. With lockdown, I had more time than I ever had before and I also had the energy – I just wanted to do shit. That was a blessing – we sent demos to each other.

This is probably the most traditional record we’ve ever done – in the sense that we had some songs, we went to the studio to finish them off and we had x amount of time to make the record.

It was good for us and it was a joy to see everybody flourish in the studio in their own way. It brought out what we’re good at. We also wanted to think about the sonics – Sean came into his own and we had so much fun doing it. This is a cliché but we threw the rulebook out of the window – we had to. We had so much fun doing it – we just let go a little bit and we had to trust who we were as a band.

“This is probably the most traditional record we’ve ever done”

Hollow Heart feels like a more positive record than its predecessor, but there’s also a sadness to several of the songs…

RO: It was surreal – no one knew what was going to happen – and there was a lot of sadness. Our default setting is fairly optimistic, but I think the lyrics are the darkest I’ve ever written.

Halfway through recording, in early autumn, I got a phone call from my wife – I was standing on a balcony, looking out towards Scandinavia – and she told me her dad, David, was in a coma, after having a heart attack. I said I would pack a bag and take the first flight home tomorrow, but she said: ‘There’s nothing you can do…’

David has really been behind our music – he’s a huge music fan and we went to Nashville together. My wife said: ‘Do you think he would want you to come back? Stay there and make the best fucking record you possibly can!’

That must’ve been hard for you…

It was really hard and pretty emotional, but from then on, we just set to work – under quite a lot of distress.

How is your father-in-law now?

RO: He’s fine.

Has he heard the record?

RO: No, he hasn’t…

If Covid hadn’t happened, would you have made a completely different record?

RO: That’s a great question. Do you know what? I’m going to give you a boring answer – it would probably have been a similar record, but I don’t think it would’ve been as close to my heart as this record is.

Your hollow heart…

RO: [laughs]. There you go.

This is your first record for Loose. Did you sign to them after you’d made this record, or before?

RO: After. We came in well-prepared with a lovely little gift for them with a knot on top.

Did you consider any other labels?

RO: Tom [Bridgewater – owner of Loose] said, ‘Let’s stop dancing around our handbags…’ He’s the real deal and he’s been through it – he sees our grassroots.

Let’s talk about some of the songs on the new record. The first track, Ava, is a slow- building love song, but then it turns anthemic. It creeps up on you and we’re suddenly in big cosmic country territory…

RO: It’s all about the sonics – it’s nice to listen to. Your children would like it. It was one of those songs that just came… it needed to have a wistful, wanting, rejected feeling.

Some of the album reminds me of your old band The See See, around the time of the Fountayne Mountain album, which I once said was the record The Stone Roses should’ve followed up their debut with…

RO: One hundred per cent. We let our influences be our influences – we let our country love be our country love, we let our folk love be our folk love… We took our foot off the gas a bit, which we needed to do. That’s quite key to this record.

Ballad Of Whatever May Be sounds like The Stone Roses, if they’d gone country…

RO: I’ll take that, man. It came out different to how it was written –  it changed in the studio, for the better. It has a good riff. It’s just one of those ‘live your life like this’ sort of songs. I’m not standing with a megaphone, screaming, but, holy fuck, I am so angry!

Black Light Night has some great jangly guitars on it. Didn’t Patrick (Ralla – guitar / keys) write the music for it?

RO: Yeah – it’s an old song that’s been kicking around for ages.

I think it has a vintage R.E.M feel…

RO: Yeah.

Weep & Whisper is more melancholy and musically it’s a shuffle – you’ve described it as ‘a love song to youth.’ I like the harmonies and the backing vocals. It has a Simon & Garfunkel feel…

RO: I like that. Paulie [Cobra drummer], harmony-wise, had a newfound confidence and he stepped up to do it, beautifully. It was arranged by Joe [Harvey-Whyte – pedal steel] – it’s a stroke of genius.

Patrick and Joe did their guitars for it in one take – it wasn’t edited. Me and Sean were sat looking at them doing it and we were like, ‘Shit – this is what it’s all about.’ That was one of the finest moments in my musical career.

“Radio On is Big-Star-meets-The-Velvets. What the fuck can go wrong?”

The first single from the album was Radio On, and it’s radio-friendly…

RO: Not as much as I would like! It’s me trying to write a soul song and I think it has a bit of a Velvet Underground thing. It’s Big-Star-meets-The-Velvets. What the fuck can go wrong?

Hollow Eyes, Hollow Heart is one of the heavier, more psych songs on the album…

RO: It’s us trying to be Fairport Convention, but it started out as me trying to write a krautrock song my demo had a drum machine on it. I was quite pleased with it – it was chugging along like a kraut-yacht-rock band, but Patrick had a different idea.

It’s a dark song…

RO: Yeah, but it’s also one of the most truthful ones. It’s about hiding things, whether that’s with alcohol or downers, or weed, or whatever. I think everyone in our scene is a little bit guilty of that. Maybe I’m being presumptuous, but even before the pandemic, more people were struggling and in the abyss more than we’d like to acknowledge. I’m not the only one, but I did get a little glimpse of that shit, and, do you know what? I do not want to go there again and I’d do anything to avoid it.

“I’m really pleased with how I sing on this record. I think I’m finally entering Swedish Sam Cooke territory”

You’re So Free is ’60s West Coast psych-pop: Love, The Doors, The Beach Boys, The Turtles…

RO: I always wanted to do You Showed Me – I guess that’s our version. It also has some piano on it that’s like Ethiopian jazz. Lyrically, it’s probably the song that I’m most pleased with. Because of the whole division thing, with Brexit and Trump, a lot of my good friends, who I love dearly, took a different route during the pandemic. It’s a little bit about that and it’s me trying to be funny: “Scroll your feed. You’re so free to believe in what you see…”

Your vocals sound really good on this album…

RO: I’m really pleased with how I sing on this record. I think I’m finally entering Swedish Sam Cooke territory.

Edywn guests on Rainbows In Windows – he does a spoken word part…

RO: That’s Sam’s [Ferman – bass] song he wrote it.

It’s quite filmic…

RO: I’m really pleased with how it came out. I felt we could do it a Jackson C. Frank kind of way, but then, on the way up to the studio, I thought we could do it like The Gift by The Velvet Underground,  but it didn’t quite work out that way, but then Sean was mixing it in London and he came up with the other bit, and Edwyn was up for it. It’s playful.

“I am the natural heir to Jason Pierce, but I’m a country version”

I Don’t Want To Feel So Bad Anymore is ’60s-garage-meets-The-Byrds…

RO: We went all-out 12-string on it. It’s a bit Flying Burritos as well. It’s a song about being completely helpless in front of the Tory government someone who’s dead talking about what they really would’ve liked to have said: “Now I’m gone, I can tell you my thoughts on the queen and crown. Do take heed of your greed, as you choke on an appleseed.” 

The last song on the album, Red Autumn Leaf, is a sad one it’s about being discarded and tossed on the heap…

RO: Pretty much. It’s Spiritualized gone country. I am the natural heir to Jason Pierce, but I’m a country version. I pretty much based my whole career on Lazer Guided Melodies – it’s magical.

A lot of your new songs have a sad undercurrent, but the music is very uplifting…

RO: That makes me so happy to hear that.

Do you think Hollow Heart is your best record?

RO: Of course it is. You wouldn’t be making records otherwise… With this album, we had to be The Hanging Stars and I think we did a pretty damned good job of it.

Hollow Heart is released on March 25 (Loose).

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