‘This is the first time we’ve managed to capture the ‘sonic swirl’…’

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

Girl On The Edge Of The World is the third full-length album from KEELEY – the Anglo-Irish indie-rock trio fronted by Dublin-born singer-songwriter and guitarist, Keeley Moss.

Like all of KEELEY’s musical output, it’s inspired by the tragic case of 18-year-old German backpacker, Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in Northern Ireland, in 1988 – no one has ever been charged with her killing.

Produced by Alan Maguire, Girl On The Edge Of The World is a concept album – a sonic travelogue set in the hazy spring days of 1988, in the last week of Hauser’s life, as she was travelling from Germany to Northern Ireland, via the Netherlands, England and Scotland – and it’s also KEELEY’s most expansive record yet, embracing shoegaze, dream pop, psychedelia, electronica, post-punk and indie rock.

Guesting on the record are ’90s indie legends, Miki Berenyi (Lush, Piroshka, Miki Berenyi Trio), and Sice (The Boo Radleys), as well as bassist Lukey Foxtrot and former Morrissey drummer, Andrew Paresi.

In an exclusive interview with Say It With Garage Flowers, Moss tells us about the concept behind the album, shares how and why Hauser’s sad story has affected and inspired her so much, and explains how she’s finally managed to nail the guitar sound she always dreamt of.


Q&A

Let’s talk about the new album – it’s your biggest-sounding record yet. Did you consciously set out to make a more ambitious album, or was it more organic than that?

Keeley Moss: It was more organic – if you trace the progression from our debut mini-album, Drawn To The Flame which came out back in 2022, you can see the arc sonically and in terms of the expansiveness of the sound.

Over the course of our first full-length album, which was Floating Above Everything Else, in 2023, and then Beautiful Mysterious, our second album, in 2024, and then the new album, it’s been a very logical and natural progression.

One of the good things is that for an indie artist like me, who is staunchly independently minded, I would find it anathema to have that age-old scenario of a record label trying to impose restrictions or clamp down on my vision.

The fact that there is no longer that degree of corporate interference in the modern world is very much a positive thing, and because everything takes so much longer now than it used to, you can develop without being jolted by overnight success. Overnight success is no longer possible – it’s a very steady, painstaking and patient climb.

‘I would find it anathema to have that age-old scenario of a record label trying to impose restrictions or clamp down on my vision’

That instantaneous rise or catapulting to prominence, fame or wider recognition overnight, simply just doesn’t happen anymore. Although there are negatives to that, one of the positives is that you can build your musical world pretty much unbothered and undisturbed by outside forces, because there isn’t too much of a vested interest from anyone other than those that are within our team, and who are very much on board with what we’re trying to achieve.

So, yeah – it [the bigger sound of the new album] was definitely something that came about naturally. I characterise it as being like this: anyone who liked our first album will love our second album, and anyone who loved our second album will, hopefully, adore our third album, because it is very much a natural development or continuation of what we’ve been about.

KEELEY: Lukey Foxtrot, Keeley Moss and Andrew Paresi: photo by Elias Fragotsis.

In the press material for the new album, it says that this is the first time you’ve managed to capture the sound that was in your head on record. Can you elaborate on that?

Well, what I meant by that is that this is the first time we’ve managed to capture the ‘sonic swirl’ – that’s a particular word that I use to describe specific guitar sounds.

There’s a sound that I’ve captured on this record, in conjunction with our producer, Alan, who helped me to realise that goal. There’s a particular guitar sound that I’ve been chasing for years, and I finally captured it and managed to record it on this album.

You’ll hear it on the first track on the record, which is Hungry For The Prize, and you’ll hear it on a song called Fell In Love With A Ghost, which is track 10.

You’ll also hear it on the title track, Girl On The Edge Of The World – it’s where you get this very atmospheric, swirling, kind of cavernous guitar tone. It’s a sound I love and when I finally captured it, it was a real eureka moment in the studio.

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

You mentioned Hungry For The Prize, which opens the album. There’s a line in that song which says: ‘My magpie eyes are hungry for the prize.’ Being an indie geek, I recognised the lyric from a song by The Loft called Up The Hill and Down The Slope, and it’s also the title of David Cavanagh’s book on the history of Creation Records…

You’re spot on – it’s a knowing nod to the late, great David Cavanagh. That book, The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry For The Prize, is the best book on the music biz I’ve ever read – it’s my Bible. It’s absolutely riveting, and, until I read that book, I wasn’t aware of the song Up The Hill and Down The Slope.

It was the perfect title [for the book] because obviously the Creation Records story is very much one of aspiration and hunger, and a drive and the will to succeed and to create an amazing stable [of acts] and an amazing indie label that would be able to go to battle with the corporate behemoths.

It’s about having indie values and making records which would stand the test of time, which those great Creation records obviously do. If anyone hasn’t read that book, I would urge them to. It’s for anyone who’s a fan of any of those great Creation bands, from Primal Scream to Oasis, My Bloody Valentine, Super Furry Animals, Teenage Fanclub, The House of Love… It covers the entire arc of Creation’s lifespan.

Like all your other records, the new album was inspired by the tragic death of 18-year-old German backpacker, Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in Northern Ireland, in 1988. How did you first become interested in her story?

I’ve always had a deep interest in true crime, ever since I was a child. I’d read a brief passing reference to Inga in a book by an Irish crime correspondent and crime author called Barry Cummins, back in the 2000s.

He said she had been abducted or gone missing after a ferry journey from Stranraer to Larne, and it just kind of piqued my interest, but not enough to delve deeply… I remember thinking, ‘That’s curious, because those are two places that you don’t really hear spoken about’ – they’re not like New York or London. They are two places that there’s not an awful lot of media stories emanating from.

Many years after that, I was reading a book called Missing, Presumed, which was written by a guy called Alan Bailey, who had been in the Garda Síochána [police force in the Republic of Ireland]. He was the national coordinator for a think tank called Operation Trace, which was devised to investigate potential links between six specific missing persons cases involving young women in the county of Leinster in the 1990s – from 1993 up to ’98.

Inga Maria Hauser – photo: PA Media

Over the course of that investigation, the remit was widened to include other cases which may or not have been connected – to try and establish if there were links with other cases from prior to that time. Criminal profilers were enlisted by Operation Trace to make suggestions, and one of those suggestions was to have a look at the case of Inga Maria Hauser, who was murdered in 1988.

It predated the think tank by five years and was outside of the geographical area – Inga’s abduction and murder had taken place in County Antrim – but it did involve a reinvestigation of her case, as part of Operation Trace.

After the national coordinator had retired and after Operation Trace was wound up, he wrote a book about his career. Towards the back of the book was a short chapter on Inga’s case, and, after reading about her story, it was like an arrow into my brain… There was a sudden and striking uprising within me that I couldn’t shake loose.

I was working in a library at the time, and I would get up in the morning and think about Inga’s story on my way to work. It was also on my mind throughout the day and after I finished my shift.

So, after a number of weeks, I tried to find an outlet for that energy and that fixation. I decided I would try and write a blog because I’d looked online to try and learn more about Inga, but there was very little about her – just the bare facts of the case. Who was she? Why had she been in such unusual locations?

‘Reading about Inga’s story was like an arrow into my brain…There was a sudden and striking uprising within me that I couldn’t shake loose’

I realised that in order to write about it properly, I was going to have to research it in depth, which I did for four months. And then I wrote part one of what became The Keeley Chronicles, which was a blog that I founded. I posted it online, and to my amazement, it went viral.

I didn’t even think it was a possibility, and I wasn’t ready for the impact that it would have, in terms of me being inundated with emails and inquiries from all across Europe, particularly Northern Ireland. That was what alerted me to the fact that there was a huge groundswell of interest in her case that had never come to fruition.

I felt even more impassioned about trying to help to make a positive difference in her case, because I just felt a real spiritual kinship with her. I didn’t know her personally, but it was a very curious thing. I then spent the next few years becoming more deeply involved in her case, and trying to find a way to assist the enquiry in any way I could, whilst at the same time being aware that I was coming at it from a very unusual place – I’m not a police office or a detective, I’m an indie-rock musician from Dublin.

I was quite naive about what I was getting into – especially in a place like Northern Ireland, which is a very complex environment. That added another layer of intensity and intrigue, which has gone into the songwriting. If you’re a songwriter, you write about what you’re most passionate about, and what you’re most intrigued by, or most interested in, and because her story and her life was on my mind so much, it was inevitable that that was going to seep into my songwriting.

Keeley Moss – photograph by Chris Hogge

‘I’m not a police office or a detective, I’m an indie-rock musician from Dublin’

What I didn’t expect was that it was going to become my songwriting, and that here we are now and she is still all I’ve written about for the last 10 years, which is kind of unprecedented in musical terms.  

It’s like every album you’ve made is a concept album…

Exactly, and I like that. Concept albums were something that rose to prominence in the 1970s with the advent of progressive rock. I love the notion of a concept album – the thought of it being more than just a collection of songs but having a thematic link throughout. It means something more than just a selection of tunes.

Our last album, Beautiful Mysterious, was very much a concept album. The first two records we made, Drawn To The Flame and Floating Above Everything Else, are conceptual and all the songs are about aspects of Inga’s life, but there isn’t a linear arc to those, like there is with the new one and the previous one.

‘With this record, I’m sitting you on a rickety and clattering British Rail train, in the spring of 1988, and you’re seeing the grime-laden window pane…’

It’s a story that I just have to tell, and it’s coming from a pure place – no one in their right mind would sit down and go, ‘I know what I’m going to do. I’m going to make an album that deals with this very specific, unusual story and takes the listener all the way back to the spring of 1988…’

It’s something that is so unlike the kind of records that other people are making and have made, but there’s just something about that timeframe that I love, and I find it very emotional –  trying to take the listener on a journey, so they can see the world through Inga’s eyes. That’s what I’m doing with this record –  I’m sitting you on a rickety and clattering British Rail train, in the spring of 1988, and you’re seeing the grime-laden window pane…

All those real elements are there. It’s not a pristine window and you’re not seeing some untouchable, distant and unrecognisable land like San Francisco. You often get songwriters lapsing into Americanisms… You won’t find one Americanism on any of our records –  it’s just not part of my lyrical landscape.

There are no boulevards…

Exactly.

Never mind the boulevards…

(Laughs).

The first song on the album, Hungry For The Prize, recounts the journey that Inga takes – from Germany to the Netherlands and then England. I think it captures that excitement and sense of discovery – how she’s setting out on an adventure, during her Easter college break. The album is a travelogue – how easy was it to map out that journey, write the songs and make it work in a linear fashion?

I love that you’ve asked me that because for me it’s one of the central features of the record – not just the story of it but also the story of my life over the past 10 years. It’s about trying to get as close as I can to bringing the listener and the reader of The Keeley Chronicles blog to the reality of where Inga was, what she saw, what she felt and how much those moments meant to her.

It was the last week of her life, and it was the best week of her life, if you can rely on her own diary extracts and her postcards home. It was just something I found so emotional – there she was, very much in the spring of her life, and it actually was springtime – but she was also blossoming as a person.

‘I was able to take the listener on a journey in tribute to Inga, and to try and preserve the purity of her original mission’

She was 18 years old, she was on the cusp of her entire adult life, and all the beauty and the idealism that went along with that – the joy and brightness she experienced on that week away, and then the absolute contrast with the darkness that she would encounter when she arrived in Northern Ireland. It’s such a striking dichotomy.

I was something that I got a better understanding of when I retraced her steps, back in 2018. I had four days off between my work shifts, and I had to go over to London anyway, so I bought myself a rail pass and I mapped out her journey. I learned so much during that experience – the full story of what happened on my retracing of her steps is discussed in the blog, between parts 21 and parts 34.

Keeley Moss following in Inga Maria Hauser’s footsteps – picture courtesy of The Keeley Chronicles blog

It gave me an insight I wouldn’t have otherwise had before I set out on that journey. I said to myself that I could read about her encounters to a certain degree, but that there was no substitute for actual lived experiences and having that empirical knowledge – what it was like to navigate that landscape and to do those journeys, on those trains and over those bridges, travelling from London to Cambridge, to Oxford and through England to Inverness, Stranraer and Larne.

While I was retracing her steps, what really stood out for me was that how little had changed in the places that she had been, over the course of 30 years. I was seeing as close to what she had seen, and that gave me an insight to be able to make the records in a more vivid and authentic way – I was able to take the listener on a journey in tribute to her, and to try and preserve the purity of her original mission.

Yes – the album is very cinematic, and in the lyrics you use a lot of imagery, like trains and places, as well as extracts from Inga’s diary and postcards.

Miki Berenyi Trio: picture by Abbey Raymonde.

 

We should talk about some of the guest musicians on the album. As well as your rhythm section, Lukey Foxtrot and Andrew Paresi, playing bass and drums, respectively, you’ve got Miki Berenyi (Lush, Piroshka, Miki Berenyi Trio) and Sice (The Boo Radleys) singing on it. I know you’ve been a support act for The Boo Radleys and the Miki Berenyi Trio, and you’re a fan of both bands…

Getting to know them has been lovely, and touring with them has been amazing as well. When I first got into music in the ’90s, I would’ve heard The Boo Radleys before Lush… The first Boo Radleys record I heard was Wake Up, Boo! which I still think is one of the best pop songs of the past 30 years.

They’ve almost disowned it now..

I know – it’s a real shame. That record has oddly been mischaracterised as a sort of ditty… but there’s such a lovely melancholy to it: ‘Summer’s gone /days spent with the grass and sun…’

It definitely has a dark undercurrent, but the song got hijacked by breakfast radio shows… 

I know it did. Musically, when it comes out of the middle eight with that clanging guitar tone… It’s great – it’s almost as if there’s an album’s worth of ideas in that one track. That’s the great thing about the Boos and Super Furry Animals – they were just crammed with ideas. You don’t get that so much nowadays.

I became a huge fan of the Boos and I got into Lush in the early 2000s, after they’d split up for the first time. Miki is a dear friend and I’m so proud to have her on the record. She’s got such a distinctive singing voice, and what she’s done on the track that she sings on… Anyone who loves Lush and shoegaze will hopefully bask in the beauty of what she’s managed to create, and in what Sice has managed to add to our track. Those two songs – Trains and Daydreams and Big Brown Eyes – are earmarked to be future singles, so hopefully they’ll get more focus. 

Trains and Daydreams is one of my favourite songs on the album – it has some great psychedelic, jangly guitar on it… 

Yeah – when I wrote it, there was a kind of lingering melancholy to it and we’ve managed to emphasise that in the recording. It was so lovely to have Sice on it. I met him for the first time at a gig in Dublin, and we just instantly clicked – he’s such a lovely fellow.

The Boo Radleys

 

The Boos were so lovely to us – they took us on the road with them. I feel so honoured to have had the opportunity to support not only The Boo Radleys and the Miki Berenyi Trio, but also Echobelly, Terrorvision, The Primitives, Northside… There are lots of bands that have taken us under their wing, and it’s been amazing. Their audiences have been really receptive to us.

The last few songs on the new album reflect on what’s happened since Inga died. Fell In Love With A Ghost is about trying to find the answers to what went on and The Movie of Our Yesterdays is more personal  it deals with how you feel about singing about Inga:‘I sing to you alone, knowing we can never meet, knowing you can never know…’

If Inga was still alive, what do you think she would think about what you’ve done for her? I know that sounds strange because you wouldn’t have written about her if she hadn’t have been murdered, but you know what I mean…

It’s a really interesting viewpoint: what would she make of it all? I’ve asked myself that question so many times. I hope she’d be flattered, and I think she’d be surprised. When you embark on a project of this nature, which simply hasn’t been attempted before… It’s one thing to write a song about someone and their life, but it’s another thing to write an album about them, and it’s another thing altogether to write an entire discography.

Given that there are very few, or comparatively few, examples of Inga’s writings, and evidence of the life that she left behind, it’s quite an undertaking to be able to find new angles to write about her over the course of what is effectively now four albums. I’ve managed to do that somehow, but, with this new album, in particular, what I love about it more than anything else is that it focuses on the aspect of the story that has always been the most interesting for me, right from day one – and that is the time when she was most alive, which was the last week of her life.

‘It’s one thing to write a song about someone and their life, but it’s another thing altogether to write an entire discography about them’

It’s probably the ultimate tribute to her, in that it’s a record that is primarily concerned with with her as a living being and as a life force, and where she was…  In my own small way, I can create for her…. Those who killed her, and those who have continued to defy the efforts of the authorities to bring them to justice, can’t take that away from her –  it’s a measure of something that they haven’t been been able to erase.

If Inga came back… it’s such an interesting thing. I’ve asked myself that question,  and I love that you’ve brought it up in the interview, and that you’ve been so thoughtful to ponder it. What would she think of it,  if she could come back? I’m kind of fascinated by the idea. I’d love to be able to show her the albums that she had inspired, and I’d be so intrigued to see what she would make of it. I can never know and I can never show her…

The last song on the record, Daydreams and Trains, is especially poignant because it’s set after Inga has died, and the world is carrying on without her. You sing: ‘The train left on time /Without you inside/The world you left behind/But I can’t leave you behind…’ That song feels very much like a companion piece to The Movie of Our Yesterdays...

Exactly, and I felt it was the perfect way to round off the record. There’s Trains and Daydreams earlier on the album, and then there’s Daydreams and Trains. When I wrote those two songs, I felt they should either bookend the record or certainly be on the same album.

KEELEY live in Glasgow – photograph by Chris Hogge.

 

Daydreams and Trains is the reason why the story must go on, and why I haven’t been able to let go of it. It was only after I’d recorded the song that I felt it was missing something, so I got in touch with our producer, Alan, and said: ‘I have an idea for a coda  I’ll come into the studio… Trust me…’

‘What would Inga make of it all? I’ve asked myself that question so many times. I hope she’d be flattered, and I think she’d be surprised’

That’s one of the great things about Alan  he trusts my judgement and I trust his. We’ve got a great working relationship. When I went [back] into the studio, that coda just gave the song a very uplifting and spiritual denouement: ‘Girl on the edge of the world/A shooting star evaporates.’  It’s almost like a sonic shooting star to take the record into another dimension.

 

So, have you got your ‘sonic swirl’ guitar effects pedals sorted for when you go out on tour this year?

I have. I’ve managed to build the perfect beast. Is that an album title by Don Henley? It’s something that I liken to trying to build the perfect array of effects pedals it’s trying to get it calibrated so there’s just the right element of this and a pinch of that… I’m always chasing my dream soundscapes… I’ve got a sweet array of sounds and I’ll be deploying them to maximum effect on our tour.

Although none of them will sound like Don Henley… 

No definitely not, although, saying that, The Boys of Summer is an absolute tune.

Girl On The Edge of the World is released on February 20 via Definitive Gaze.

KEELEY play the following headline dates across the UK in support of the new album:

Wed Feb 18: LONDON LVLS, Hackney Wick

Thurs Feb 19: COVENTRY, Tin Music & Arts

Fri Feb 20:BRISTOL, Exchange (Basement)

Sat Feb 21: BOURNEMOUTH, The Bear Cave

Wed Feb 25: BRIGHTON, The Rossi Bar

Fri Feb 27: HUDDERSFIELD, Amped

Sat Feb 28: GLASGOW, Hug & Pint

Sun Mar 1: NEWCASTLE, Cluny 2

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‘It was time for a rock album and to break out the Telecaster…’

Luke Tuchscherer

 

Living Through History, the new album by UK Americana singer-songwriter, Luke Tuchscherer, is his best record yet, and it’s also his angriest, his heaviest and his most political.

A mostly hard-rocking set of protest songs inspired by living in New York under Trump’s first presidency, its influences include Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen and the ’90s Seattle grunge scene.

Mastered by Jack Endino (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Mark Lanegan), Living Through History was produced by Tuchscherer’s longtime collaborator, Dave Banks, who also plays in his band, The Penny Dreadfuls.

“You often hear people complain that there’s no protest music anymore,” says Tuchscherer. Well, I don’t think that was ever true anyway, but this one is certainly a protest album.

“The last two records I’ve made have been acoustic affairs, so it’s been great to get back to the rockier side of my music on this one. And I couldn’t have picked a better person to help make it — Dave and I have known each other since we were kids and we’ve played together for years.”

Adds Banks: “The album is honest, diverse and full of righteous anger. I’m so excited for people to hear this record.” 

Tuchscherer now lives in Bedford, but the majority of the album, which is his sixth, was written during his time in New York City, where he was based from 2017-2020.

‘You often hear people complain that there’s no protest music anymore. Well, I don’t think that was ever true anyway, but this one is certainly a protest album’

There are songs about capitalism (Living Through History, Whose Side Are You On?, This World is Worth Saving), workers’ rights (Gonna Be a Reckoning), and an attack on racists and the purveyors of the culture war (You Should Be Ashamed).

Amidst all the full-on rock ‘n’ roll, there are also some reflective ballads: Walls Come Tumbling, and album closer, the poignant, Goodbye, Bergen St, which is about leaving New York.

In an exclusive interview with Say It With Garage Flowers, Tuchscherer shares his thoughts on writing and recording the new album, reflects on his time in New York and tells us what he thinks of the current state of politics in the UK and the US.

“A lot of the songs are pretty old now, dating from 2018-20, but they’re just as relevant today, if not more so,” he says.

Q&A

Let’s talk about the new record, Living Through History. You’ve said it could be described as your ‘protest album.’  It feels like a reaction to your last two albums, Widows & Orphans, which was stripped-back, intimate and very personal, and Carousel, which was an acoustic record…

Luke Tuchscherer: I think it was definitely time for a rock album, yeah! I didn’t want to get too caught up in doing just acoustic stuff, because that’s only part of what I do. Carousel was just me, my guitar and a harmonica, and Widows & Orphans was a bit fuller, but still pretty stripped-back… so, yeah, time to break out the Telecaster.

I think when we last spoke, I had big plans of what order some of my albums were going to be released in, but obviously life got in the way. But for sure, the idea was always for the sixth one to be rocky. A lot of the songs are pretty old now, dating from 2018-20, but they’re just as relevant today, if not more so. They were written during the first Trump presidency and obviously we’re in round two now…

Was making this record cathartic? Have you got a lot of the anger out of your system by writing and recording these songs?

Luke Tuchscherer: I think it was certainly cathartic when I wrote them. Gonna Be a Reckoning is actually quite a personal song, despite the universality of it.

I never get sick of singing You Should Be Ashamed. That was written after marching in some Black Lives Matter protests in New York, but is still just as relevant.

I think one thing that’s quite nice about singing political songs is that you can still feel them pretty deeply when you sing them, whereas if you sing an old love song, it can feel a little strange to revisit that.

Interestingly, this is the first time you’ve made a record where all the songs are from the same period – all but one of them were written when you were living in Brooklyn, New York. Can you tell me about that period in your life? 

Luke Tuchscherer: I lived in New York from 2017-20. I think in a lot of ways I was the happiest I’d ever been when I lived there. I felt very content, personally, which is probably why I looked outward when I wrote those songs.

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Luke at the Ramblin’ Roots Revue in 2018 – picture by Richard Markham

‘One thing that’s quite nice about singing political songs is that you can still feel them pretty deeply when you sing them, whereas if you sing an old love song, it can feel a little strange to revisit that’

I moved back in less-than-ideal circumstances I lost my job after we unionised our office over there, which is what Gonna Be a Reckoning is about. And, sadly, that was just the beginning of a bit of a run of bad luck, but we won’t go into that too deeply now.

How did you find it living there, and what inspired you to write protest songs while you were in New York?

Luke Tuchscherer: I absolutely loved it there. I felt really at home, like I was always supposed to be there. I never got sick of walking around the city. Even when I went back for a visit in 2022, it felt like home. I miss it every day. Like I say, I think the fact that I was personally happy made me write about the external world more, and there was plenty of inspiration.

So, you’ve held onto the songs on the new album for a while… You’re a prolific writer, aren’t you? I know you have a stockpile of songs that you dip into for each new record that might suit a particular style or theme. Have you still got a lot of songs in your vault?

Luke Tuchscherer: Well, I have been quite prolific over the years, yeah. I think I must be pushing 300 songs now. I know what songs will be going on the next three albums and there are plenty more in the vault.

But, actually, after I split from my ex-wife, I wrote some songs about that, but then I barely wrote a thing for nearly three years. That was easily the longest drought I’d ever had. I think I’d said everything I had to say about the divorce, I think I’d said everything I had to say politically, and I knew Living Through History was coming out anyway. I was in a bit of a rut life-wise, but couldn’t articulate it through songs.

‘I think I must be pushing 300 songs now. I know what songs will be going on the next three albums and there are plenty more in the vault’

I’ve written five songs in the past few months, though. I just needed a little bit of girl trouble I suppose, ha-ha. That kind of uncorked the bottle. They were sparked by this romantic situation that didn’t pan out as I’d hoped, but I think a lot of what I’d been feeling over the past few years came out with it. They’re pretty depressing.

The new record is your most political album, but it’s not the first time you’ve written protest songs. I’m thinking of Requiem, from 2018’s Pieces, which bemoaned the state of the UK – high taxes, the challenges faced by the NHS and how the rich are getting richer, and the poor are worse off. Not a lot has changed since then, has it? The UK’s still in a terrible state and it feels like the rest of the world is going to hell in a handbasket…

Luke Tuchscherer: That’s right, and there are other more political songs that have never come out too. Requiem was written after watching a Noam Chomsky documentary called Requiem For The American Dream, and then I applied it to a British context. I have no problem with taxes by the way, I just think that the super-rich and corporations should pay way more.

But yeah, I definitely agree. I probably wrote that song in 2016-17 and it’s just as relevant. It’s a live staple now people get to see Dave Banks unleashed!

In the new song, This World Is Worth Saving, you say: ‘It’s all gone to hell – least that’s how it feels…’  You also tackle the rise of the far right, global warming, and people suffering. It’s a song that deals with most of the big issues we’re facing. It’s an angry song, but, ultimately, it’s a hopeful one, isn’t it?

Luke Tuchscherer: Hmm. Is it hopeful? That’s a good question. I think it’s more desperate. I even set the key just slightly too high for me in the chorus to make it feel more desperate in the voice, which I regret when we do it live, ha-ha. But some of the other reviews have said they found it hopeful, so maybe it is. That would be nice actually, if people can get that out of it.

Here’s an interesting little fact about that song: it features my friends Danni Nicholls and Fe Salomon on backing vocals. Danni was over from Nashville for a bit and we’d all gone to see her play somewhere in Bedford, and it turned out that might have been some sort of Covid super-spreader event! They both came round to mine to do the backing vocals and we were all ill. They nailed it, though.

‘With the UK, we ended up with a Tory-lite Labour government and we have a prime minister whose principles seem to shift with the wind’

So, what’s making you most angry about the UK now, and what’s your take on Trump’s second presidency? As someone who’s lived in the US, what do you think about what’s happening there now?

Luke Tuchscherer: With the UK, we obviously ended up with a Tory-lite Labour government and we have a prime minister whose principles seem to shift with the wind. People wanted change and Labour have offered more of the same, which makes it pretty hard to see how they’ll win the next election. If Starmer had stuck to his ten pledges, then maybe that would’ve helped.  We’ve also got the pretty scary rise of Reform.

I think what’s happening in the US now is even worse, what with ICE [United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement] and all that. Or even the Trump parade with all those sponsorships and stuff.

People throw around the term “fascist”, but I really think it’s apt in this case. There’s that quote from Mussolini himself: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power”. How could anyone not think that’s what’s going on over there now?

And obviously both our government and the US and the previous governments in both countries have enabled what we’re seeing in Gaza, which is just heartbreakingly awful, and now it’s kicked off against Iran too. Truly worrying times.

Let’s talk about making the new album. You recorded it with your guitarist, Dave Banks, at the Little Red Recording Studio in Bedfordshire. How was it making the record? What were the sessions like? It’s the first record that Dave and you have made on your own, isn’t it? How was that? What did he bring to the record?

Luke Tuchscherer: I was astonished to realise that we actually recorded the drums in 2023. The past few years have really just flown by. In a bad way, ha-ha. But we did the drums in one day at Lost Boys Studio in Cranfield, then did the rest at Dave’s and I recorded my vocals at home. The sessions were great, but just spread out. In terms of actual recording, we didn’t spend much time on it, but life gets in the way sometimes.

As people know, Dave is my best friend, we were in The Whybirds together, we’ve played on each other’s records and are in each other’s solo bands — and our friendship predates any musical stuff really. So he knew what I was after. It’s like that lyric from [Springsteen’s] Bobby Jean: “We like the same music, we like the same bands, we like the same clothes.”

In terms of what he brought to the record, he brought his supreme musical gifts. I played drums and rhythm guitar on it and Tristan Tipping played bass, but everything else is Dave, bar two lead bits from me I do the first guitar solo in There’s Gonna Be A Reckoning, and the main lick on Most Days.

The amazing guitar work, the harmonies, the organ etc, that’s all Dave. And he’s really coming into his own in terms of recording and mixing too. I think the album sounds great. He absolutely smashed it.

The record was mastered by Jack Endino, who worked with Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mudhoney and Mark Lanegan. That must be thrilling for you, as you’re a big fan of the ‘90s Seattle scene, aren’t you?

Luke Tuchscherer: Yeah that was really one of those “if you don’t ask, you don’t get” things. I’m so glad I asked. I sent him a couple of the songs, he liked them and wanted to work on it. I was absolutely thrilled.

‘I often think that Springsteen is my favourite songwriter, but that Neil Young is my favourite artist  I love the way he just does what he wants’

I’ve listened to his stuff since I first properly got into music, so to have his name on one of my albums is incredible for me. He was great to work with. Really quick, and really good. There were no revisions — it was done on the first go.

What were your musical inspirations for the new album? I think some of the songs have a Neil Young feel, particularly tracks like Gonna Be a Reckoning and Most Days – big, heavy, hard-rocking and anthemic Neil Young…

Luke Tuchscherer: Neil Young is always an influence. I think This World is Worth Saving is quite Young-esque too. I often think that Springsteen is my favourite songwriter, but that Young is my favourite artist — I love the way he just does what he wants. So, those two influenced it for sure. But I think you can hear a bit of the grunge side there’s a bit of Seattle in Most Days, Gonna Be a Reckoning and You Should Be Ashamed.

Whose Side Are You On? has a Stones swagger – the guitar riff is so Keith Richards…

Luke Tuchscherer:  I thought it would be interesting to write a Stones-style barroom brawler, where instead of the lyrics being about sex or fetishising black women, it’s actually kind of a socialist recruitment anthem, ha-ha. You can rock out to it, but there’s something else going on the lyrics. We debuted that on tour in Spain recently and it definitely had the desired effect. That was the only song that I wrote once I moved back to the UK.

The album closes with a reflective ballad, Goodbye Bergen St, which feels like the right way to end the album, after all the anger and protesting. It’s more subdued, isn’t it? It feels like it’s your ‘leaving New York’ song…

Luke Tuchscherer:  That’s exactly what it is. I wrote it just before we moved back. Ultimately, it’s a big list of things I lost. I’m not gonna lie, I can’t see me playing it much live outside of the album launch. It’s just too sad for me. There are times where I think I might lose it when I’m singing it, and I don’t really want that to happen.

‘I thought it would be interesting to write a Stones-style barroom brawler, where instead of the lyrics being about sex or fetishising black women, it’s actually kind of a socialist recruitment anthem’

Obviously the chorus talks about going back there one day with my wife, but that’s not possible now. So, that adds to the sadness of it all. And in a way, it’s directly linked to Gonna Be a Reckoning. If that hadn’t happened, we wouldn’t have been forced to leave. But yeah, it was written to be bittersweet and kind of hopeful… but it’s a total bummer now.

So, you’re doing a launch show for the album at the Sound Lounge in Sutton, South London, on July 4, which is American Independence Day. Was that intentional or a coincidence? What can we expect?

Luke Tuchscherer: Ha-ha that was a coincidence, but I’m sure we can make some reference to it. We were trying to get the actual launch date of the record, but couldn’t make it work. We’re going to be playing the album in full, which is the first time the band has ever done that with one of my records. I’m really looking forward to that. And of course we’ll play some older stuff too. We’ve got Big Reference supporting us, who are really good and lovely people, plus Hannah White and Keiron Marshall at the Sound Lounge are lovely people too.

Will you tour this album in the UK?

Luke Tuchscherer: A tour is a bit of a stretch. I do need to book some more gigs, however.

Luke Tuchscherer and The Penny Dreadfuls

Earlier this year, you did a tour of Spain with your band, The Penny Dreadfuls. How was that?

Luke Tuchscherer: It was brilliant. To tell you the truth, I was kind of dreading it. Because of the way the past few years have gone for me, I didn’t really like leaving the flat and I thought spending that much time away from home in a van was gonna kill me. But it was actually so much fun. It was ten gigs, and sure, there were a couple of stinkers and thousands of miles, but three of the shows were the best we’ve ever done, and the rest were up there. It ended up being really good for me I think, on a personal level. I loved it. Thank you, Spain. And thank you, Dave, for organising it all.

So, after the album launch gig, what’s next? Surely, you’ve already got plans for your next album. You’re not one to rest on your laurels, are you? Where will the next record take you? Angry Luke or more chilled?

Luke Tuchscherer: There are two that are partway done. Salvation Come, as we talked about years ago, is still sitting there, and then there’s this breakup album called Liminal Space. I genuinely don’t know what will be next. The breakup album is the furthest along. But then do I really want to release it? I don’t know. There are some fucking brilliant songs on it. But would I ever want to play them live? Again, I don’t know.

I don’t have another political record planned just yet. I know people say this all the time when they have a new record out, but I think Living Through History is my best album and will be hard to top. So, going in a different direction is probably the best way to try.

Living Through History is out now on Clubhouse Records. Luke Tuchscherer and his band, The Penny Dreadfuls, play an album launch show at The Sound Lounge, Sutton on July 4: tickets are available here.

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