‘I wasn’t thinking about putting an album out – my music is unfashionable and I’m a bald man in his mid-fifties – but the songs appeared, and I recorded them…’

Polite Company  – aka Alan Gregg. Photograph by Kerry Brown

One of my favourite albums of 2024 was Please Go Wild by Polite Company – the new project from London-based songwriter, Alan Gregg.

Released in May this year, it was a lovingly and brilliantly crafted record of melodic, wry and observational power-pop songs with a melancholy undercurrent.

Reminiscent of Fountains of Wayne and Squeeze at times, Gregg has a knack of composing a killer tune, as well as penning clever and amusing lyrical couplets – more on that later…

On Please Go Wild, he tackles topical subjects including super yachts and the oligarchs who buy them (New Yacht), the rise and fall of charismatic tech entrepreneur, Adam Neumann, (Barefoot Billionaire: ‘He’s the star of the new tech boom/You can find him in the meditation room.’ ) and press intrusion and PR manipulation on Perfectly Good Explanation, which is flavoured with Mariachi brass.  

“Some of these songs kind of wrote themselves after reading newspaper articles about people in high places doing dodgy things,” says Gregg. “Rock stars are generally pretty well behaved these days. If you really want to see bad behaviour, read the business pages.”

First single and album opener, Circulation, could be the happiest song about depression you’ll ever hear, while Second Chance Charity Store is a delightful, piano-led, country-tinged tune inspired by a second-hand shop, which looks at the staff who work there and the hipsters who hunt for bargains amongst the bric-a-brac.

‘Please Go Wild is a lovingly and brilliantly crafted record of melodic, wry and observational power-pop songs with a melancholy undercurrent’

 

Previously a member of New Zealand band, The Mutton Birds, who were signed to Virgin Records in the late ’90s, Gregg, who has recorded with Neil Finn and had a song covered by Ron Sexsmith, also released a self-titled, bubblegum pop album under the name Marshmallow in 2003. 

That record included the wonderful Casting Couch – a song written about the darker and seedier side of Hollywood that has become even more relevant in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal and the MeToo movement.

 

Please Go Wild was recorded mostly in Gregg’s home studio in North London, but additional recording was done by Sean Read (Dexys, The Hanging Stars, Soulsavers) at his Famous Times Studio in Clapton, East London – Read also plays brass and percussion on the album, and Paul Lush (Danny & the Champions of the World) guests on guitar on Perfectly Good Explanation. 

As well as Fountains of Wayne, Gregg’s music has also attracted comparisons to The Go-Betweens.

“At the time of recording this album I was listening a lot to ’70s songwriters like Mike Nesmith and Gilbert O’Sullivan,” he says. “In fact, for a while the working title for the album was The Gilbertweens.”

In an exclusive interview carried out over coffee in his North London home, Gregg tells Say It With Garage Flowers how the self-released Please Go Wild came about, reflects on the craft of good, old-fashioned songwriting and reveals some of his influences and inspirations.

On releasing the album, he says: “If you sat down and looked at the pros and cons of doing it, it might seem like a crazy thing to do, but a good song is a good song, and I just wanted to get it out there in some way and let it do what it does.”

Q&A

I love your new album. It’s a collection of wonderfully crafted, observational and old-fashioned guitar pop songs that are full of clever lyrical couplets, but with an edge and a melancholy to them…

Alan Gregg: Yes… A friend of mine, who was quoting somebody that I can’t remember, used the phrase, ‘a pleasing sense of melancholy’, which I quite like.

You mentioned couplets… I’m actually a bass player. I sang on the Marshmallow album, but usually I’m a backing vocalist… I thought that if I was going to be singing, I needed to give people a reason to listen because I don’t feel like a confident singer. I love couplets and I don’t mind how corny they are… I like corny rhymes.

Some of your lyrics remind me of Chris Difford from Squeeze, and, like Squeeze, you combine them with a strong pop sensibility…

Alan Gregg: Yes… Some of those early Squeeze songs had great rhyming couplets.

I think Up The Junction has one of the greatest opening lines ever: ‘I never thought it would happen with me and the girl from Clapham….’

Alan Gregg: That’s genius – it’s a great opening line.

There are some great rhymes in some of your songs – I like the line in Barefoot Billionaire: ‘He’s a force of nature, a wheeler dealer, with a taste for weed and tequila…’

Alan Gregg: Anyone can come up with a couplet, but to build up some good ones that can surprise you, make sense or make you laugh is hard to do – Leonard Cohen was the master of good couplets. Everyone thinks he’s miserable, but some of his couplets are very funny.

‘I love couplets and I don’t mind how corny they are…’

If you have a good couplet, it’s like having a really well-made guitar… you know it’s good, and it’s got quality and substance. It’s really satisfying. I also like a lot of impressionistic writers, like Neil Finn – he’s got the voice to carry it off. When he sings anything, you think, ‘That’s beautiful…’ but I never had the voice to fall back on.

Do you think that way of writing pop songs with clever couplets is now seen as being old-fashioned?

Alan Gregg: I think it is, but the craft of writing songs, where couplets and melodies hang it all together has changed. I’m not comparing myself to Ray Davies, but his songwriting is an amazing thing to be able to do or to aspire to. It’s probably not something that a lot of people care about now…

Your new album hangs together as a solid piece of work. Were all the songs written with the intention of making a record, or do some come from a while back?

Alan Gregg: Two of the songs are from poems that a friend of mine from New Zealand wrote: Peculiar Julia and Shrinking Violet. His name is James Brown – he’s quite a well-known poet in New Zealand – and he put a book out [Floods Another Chamber, 2017].

Those two poems were on facing pages. I did those two songs first – I said they sounded like song lyrics and he said, ‘Give it a go…’ I wasn’t really thinking about making an album but then a whole bunch of songs just emerged, like Circulation, Barefoot Millionaire and Perfectly Good Explanation – I just sort of vomited them out!

So, when was that?

Alan Gregg:  Just after Covid… As I wasn’t thinking about putting an album out, I actually talked to a couple of people, one of whom was Tom Collinson [Danny and the Champions of the World], about finding singers – he knows everybody and he loves Gerry Rafferty, Crowded House and Supertramp. I thought he would know a singer, so I sent some songs to him, but he said the person singing the songs should be the person who did the demo, because the songs had an everyman quality. I agreed with him.

Alan Gregg – photograph by Kerry Brown

‘I wasn’t really thinking about making an album but then a whole bunch of songs just emerged, like Circulation, Barefoot Millionaire and Perfectly Good Explanation – I just sort of vomited them out!’

So, you recorded the album and put it out yourself rather than working with a label…

Alan Gregg: With Marshmallow, I worked with two labels that ceased to exist – it was hard and I didn’t need to do that again. I wasn’t thinking I would put an album out for all the reasons we just talked about – my music is unfashionable – and I’m a bald man in his mid-fifties… But the songs appeared, and I recorded them. The music industry has changed so much, and it felt like an uphill slog, but something happened… I had a moment and I decided I wasn’t going to be overwhelmed by it.

People have been putting out music long before Spotify existed, and they will after it stops… I thought it was worth doing it for the sake of doing it, and there are a few Marshmallow, Mutton Birds and power-pop fans around the world. The album has been selling on Bandcamp and it’s getting played on Spotify.

I think it’s going to be a word-of-mouth record…

Alan Gregg: Yeah – so, if you approach it from that point of view, without any expectations and without thinking you’re competing with anybody else…. If you sat down and looked at the pros and cons of doing it, it might seem like a crazy thing to do, but a good song is a good song, and I just wanted to get it out there in some way and let it do what it does.

You were listening to songwriters like Mike Nesmith and Gilbert O’Sullivan while you were writing the songs, weren’t you?

Alan Gregg:  I like those sort of slightly goofy guys – there’s a humour in their music and they come across as not taking themselves too seriously. I felt like that was a good area to be in – music with a good sense of humour and good tunes.

When Mike Nesmith died, everybody claimed to love him and professed what great fans of his they were, although they never mentioned him when he was alive… Gilbert O’Sullivan isn’t a fashionable name to drop, but I like the fact that him and Nesmith were a bit out of the mainstream…

D0 you like Randy Newman too?

Alan Gregg: I love Randy Newman – he has some great couplets too.

What’s your songwriting method? What comes first – the music or the lyrics?

Alan Gregg: I do tend to write the words first. For example, I had the words for Circulation… the chorus was spinning around in my head for months and months, and one day I read an interview with Joe Strummer, and he said that The Clash always operated on instinct rather than intellect, which is quite an obvious thing to say, but I thought, ‘wow – that’s really good,’ and the next day I said, ‘I’ve got to finish the Circulation song’ and I thought about instinct not intellect… I wrote the lyric in five or ten minutes, didn’t change it and I never looked back. 

Circulation feels like the right song to open the album with – it’s about getting back on your feet again after being depressed and out of the loop. You haven’t made a record for a long time and now you’re back with a new album. The song, which was also the first single from the record, is very apt…

Alan Gregg: That was the idea – it came along after a few of the other songs, but when I realised I was making an album a certain amount of fear crept in… I was like, ‘What the hell am I doing?’ and I think Circulation came from around that time.

The song Perfectly Good Explanation is a topical one – it deals with privacy issues and the media, and it mentions a love rat… a man who cheats on his wife…

Alan Gregg: It is a topical song – the love rat came from when Matt Hancock was photographed cheating on his wife and I also read the book The Age of Surveillance Capitalism [by Shoshana Zuboff], which is great… One of the verses was inspired by that.

New Yacht is another great social commentary song – it mentions oligarchs and weapons – and it also has some lovely lyrical couplets, rhymes and half-rhymes in it.. 

Alan Gregg: Mojitos and torpedoes…

One of my favourite songs on the album is Second Chance Charity Store – it’s up there with Bennett Wilson Poole’s Wilson General Store when it comes to great, jangly guitar pop songs about shops… Funnily enough, Wilson General Store was written about band member Danny Wilson’s family shop, and there’s also a Danny mentioned in your song… 

Alan Gregg: I saw a sign that read ‘Second Chance Charity Store’ – I think it was when I was in the States years ago. I always remembered the name of the shop.  I played bass with Danny Wilson [Bennett Wilson Poole and Danny & the Champions of the World] for a few shows when he did his solo album. We played at a festival and he left his sleeping bag in my car. He came back to my house in London to get it, and I was working on the song Second Chance Charity Store at the time… He called me from the Tube station and said he was going to go to the Oxfam shop opposite, so it’s that Danny! I needed a name for the song… Hipsters go to charity shops because they find cool stuff.

It’s an old-fashioned way of writing a song – it started with the idea of the shop, the lyrics came reasonably quickly, and it was based on a real situation.

Alan Gregg – photograph by Kerry Brown

Talking of real life… Barefoot Billionaire was inspired by the disgraced, WeWork tech billionaire Adam Neumann…

Alan Gregg: I read an article – the first line of it was, ‘He’s the star of the new tech boom,’ and then it mentioned a meditation room…  There’s a book about him called Billion Dollar Loser [by Reeves Wiedeman], which is fantastic – it reads like a thriller.

People used to say that Adam Neumann was incredibly charismatic – one person said he imagined it was like meeting Julius Caesar… He could stand up at ridiculous tech events and win over a whole room. A guy from SoftBank who invested four billion dollars in Adam Neumann’s company did it based on a 15-minute meeting with him…

That song has a lot of couplets that I love – when they come along, it’s a nice feeling. Some people don’t like the quirkiness or the corniness, but I don’t care about that.

Please Go Wild by Polite Company is out now. 

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‘I approached this record with a no-holds-barred attitude from beginning to end’

Brent Windler
Brent Windler

Kansas City singer-songwriter Brent Windler has made the album of the summer, but he only just snuck in with it – his  solo debut, New Morning Howl, which is soaked in the sunshine sounds of The Beach Boys and classic West Coast ’60s pop, but with a hint of Americana, came out in late August. 

It’s a lush and lavish record, with rich arrangements – warm and optimistic. One of the songs is even called Mr Sun – a harmony-laden, Beatles-like hymn to the healing powers of that big golden globe in the sky.

Opening song and first single, Around The Bend, is gorgeous, Fountains of Wayne-style power-pop, with heavenly harmonies. Clocking in at around six minutes, My Josephine (Wildwood Flowers Are Where You Roam) is a Brian Wilson-esque, widescreen epic that’s symphonic and dream-like, while the title track, with its sweeping strings, uplifting chorus, bouncy melody and twangy guitar, is pure Pet Sounds.

The spectral and folky Spanish Jasmine is the perfect song to listen to as summer turns to autumn: Windler sounds like Simon & Garfunkel – with synths.

The Glitter and The Roar, features some great Easy Listening horns, and closing anthem,  In My Daze is a big, Beatlesy, psych-tinged anthem, with piano, slide guitar and massed harmonies.

In an exclusive interview, Say It With Garage Flowers spoke to Windler about the new record.

“I didn’t really start with any direct influences in mind, but as the record came together, my ‘60s and ‘70s influences definitely started to crawl out,” he tells us.

Brent Windler

Q&A

Hi Brent. How’s it going? Where are you and what’s the vibe like?

Brent Windler:  I’m doing alright – thanks for asking. I’m in Kansas City and everything here is going alright. If I had to complain, it’s really hot here at the moment…

How was lockdown for you?

BW: It was pretty crazy, like it was everywhere. I was lucky enough to be able to work at home, so I had it better than a lot of folks. It was a strange blur of a year – lots of hanging out with friends and family through my computer screen, and the terrible feeling that everything was crumbling.

Congratulations on the new album. It’s a beauty. New Morning Howl is your first solo record. What took you so long? 

BW: Thank you. I’m happy you’re digging it. I actually started to record some solo material about seven years ago – some of it was released in 2019 –  but life got in the way, as it does sometimes, and I refocused on other musical projects I was involved with at the time.

I actually have a whole other solo record that is just waiting to be finished that I started around that time, but I have been enjoying writing new material so much I’m not sure when I’ll get back to it, if ever.

Did lockdown affect the record? The album feels warm and optimistic, despite the current state of the world…

BW: I definitely think it affected the album. The way it was made would have been completely different had lockdown never happened, but I’m happy that the album feels optimistic and has a warm quality to it. I’m not sure any of that was intentional, but we were definitely trying to stay as optimistic as humanely possible while recording it – even though we failed on a regular basis. I know we tried make it work the best we could, and I think it made for an interesting record.

What’s your musical background? You’re from the Midwest. How was it growing up there?

BW: I’m from Kansas City, Missouri. I didn’t have much of a musical background growing up. I’m self-taught –  a music obsessive –  and I just stuck with it. Kansas City was a great city to grow up in, but, like anywhere, it’s got its ups and downs. I would be lying if I didn’t say I wish we had a mountain range near us, or the ocean I could walk down to, but there is something beautiful, calm, and strange about the Midwest that I have grown to love.

‘I’m happy that the album feels optimistic and has a warm quality to it. I’m not sure any of that was intentional’

Brent Windler

What were your earliest music memories and influences?

BW: Hmmm…. Some of my earliest music memories are getting The Beatles and The Monkees Greatest Hits on cassette. Also I remember a lot of Creedence Clearwater Revival being played on family road trips, as well as late ‘50s/ early ‘60’s rock n roll. I specifically remember loving the Monotones song The Book of Love – that always stood out to me when I was really little. As I got older, my influences definitely grew wider. I loved and still love everything from that era, but I got into a lot of punk and indie acts in my teens, and my palette grew to loving everything from Bob Dylan to My Bloody Valentine to Fugazi. There’s too many to name.

Have you been in many bands? When did you start writing songs?

BW: I have been in many bands over the years. I played in the indie rock group The Casket Lottery for a while, doing a record with them in 2012. I also played bass in the indie band The Republic Tigers, and I was putting out records with Sons of Great Dane, which was more of my songwriting vehicle.

I started really getting into songwriting in my early twenties and I became obsessed with the craft. I had dabbled in my teens, but there was really nothing worthwhile that came out of it. Honestly not until these past five or so years do I feel like I started to feel more comfortable as a songwriter.

Tell us about your group Sons of Great Dane…

Sons is a band that was started around 2007-2008 with my good friend and bass player, Nolle. I had just gotten off tour, and had been gone for about six months and needed a place to crash until I got my own place to stay.  He was nice enough to let me crash on his couch for a while, and I had written a batch of songs while I was out on tour, so we just started to play around with them and decided they were good enough to put together a band. We have released three records so far, and I’m sure we will get around to doing another in the future here if time permits.

Let’s talk more about your album, New Morning Howl. How did you approach the sound of the record? It often has a lush, widescreen, almost symphonic feel. The songs are layered, with rich arrangements. What were you aiming for from a sonic point of view? It has strings and horns – it’s a big-sounding record…

BW: I approached this record with a no-holds-barred attitude from beginning to end – every idea, whether it turned out good or bad, was tried.  On other albums I have made songs that were specifically written with a band or a time frame in mind, so there were lots of ideas that never got tried because it seemed like a bit much, or we just didn’t have enough time and/or money. I didn’t put a time frame on this record, which freed me up in a way. I enjoyed the idea of just writing whatever I wanted to, and not having any certain style or agenda in mind. Sonically it’s the type of record I have been wanting to make for a long while – big but not in the typical big guitar style. I have always been interested in other ways to colour songs with instrumentation, and I think I attempted that on this record. Not to say there aren’t a lot of guitars, because there are a shitload!

What were your influences for the record?

BW: I didn’t really start with any direct influences in mind, but as the record came together, my ‘60s and ‘70s influences definitely started to crawl out. It all came pretty naturally and glued together without a whole lot of thought at first. I think after we got the first few songs together, I started to see more of a vision of where the train was moving.

Brent Windler
Brent Windler at Courtesy Tone studio

How were the recording sessions? Where did you make the album?

BW: The sessions were done at a studio here in the city called Courtesy Tone, owned by a great engineer/mixer named Ryan Benton. We started to put together the record in early 2020, and when we really started to get going on it the pandemic hit and things slowed way down. We made it work the best we could though, doing things slowly and safely through the rest of the year. It was a very strange way to record a record, I would walk up to the studio and mask up, and then cut something quickly and then be on my way, so it was done in small pieces at a time. We also did a lot of things remotely as well. There are so many great musicians that played on the record that lived nowhere near us, and did an amazing job.

Were all of the songs written for the record, or are any of them old ones you’d been hanging on to?

BW: There were actually only a couple that were written during the recording process – all the others are songs had been floating around for quite a while. Some had been tried out for other projects, but were pulled away once I realised they were not going to fit. There was even one that I wrote in my early twenties that was revamped.

Let’s talk about some of the songs. If I pick a few and give you my thoughts on them, can you tell me yours?

BW: Sure – sounds good.

The first song on the record, Around The Bend, is gorgeous, melodic jangly guitar pop with a West Coast feel and also a Fountains of Wayne vibe. What can you tell us about it?

BW: This was the first song we started with at the beginning of 2020. It was actually a song that was written for another project I was working on called Dandelions, but as I was starting to think about what songs I wanted to do for the record, it seemed to fit with the batch I was imagining. The song was inspired by a friend lyrically and musically – he had been listening to a lot of jangle pop songs and I was inspired to write something in that vein. I really wanted to get a female vocal on it and was lucky enough to get the great musician, Heidi Gluck, to sing on it. She’s from Lawrence, Kansas, and vocals really give it a dream-like feel, which was perfect for the song.

On that note, My Josephine (Wildwood Flowers Are Where You Roam) is also dream-like, and lush – an almost six-minute epic…

BW: This one was written a little while ago, and honestly, I thought was it pretty boring at first. I always really enjoyed the verse progression, but nothing really stood out to me about it outside of that and the melody. I had a friend that really liked the song and would always request that one at solo acoustic shows, so I started to think maybe there was something there. Once I started to add parts over the top of it, the song came to life for me and I got excited about it. The ending I really wanted to be trance-like, almost like a mantra, so you could get lost in the repetition. Then having things coming in and out as the song goes on, but never losing that melody playing over and over. Now it’s one of my favourites on the record. I’m happy I stuck with it.

Spanish Jasmine is very haunting. It sounds like Simon & Garfunkel, but with synths… What’s your take on it?

BW: This is the song I was talking about earlier that was written in my early twenties. It’s definitely the oldest song on the record. I was going back through a bunch of old songs I had demoed back in the day and ran across this one. I felt it would fit the record well. I wanted some synths of some sort on it, so we reached out to a great musician named Nate Harold. He did an amazing job, and in my eyes, what he added gives the song its uniqueness.

The title track is another lushly orchestrated song. It has a Beach Boys feel. Would you agree?

BW: I agree – it definitely has a Beach Boys vibe going on. I borrowed a tenor ukulele from my good friend’s daughter, mainly just for fun, as I was bored with playing guitar. While I had it, I started to write a song and this was what came out of it. This song sort of became an experiment. We laid down the uke part and drums and main vocals, then sent it over to an amazing violinist and string arranger, Kaitlin Wolfberg, to have her arrange some strings over it. I didn’t want to put anything else down until we got back what she put down, as I wanted to build the rest of the song around her strings. It was a different way than I had ever put together a song, and I really enjoyed how this one came together.

The Glitter and the Roar has some great Easy Listening horns on it…

BW: There is a great author named Seth Borgen, and he put out a collection of short stories called If I Die in Ohio. One of my favourite stories from it is called The Glitter and the Roar, so the lyrics were inspired by that. I really like the way this one turned out both musically and lyrically. I really wanted the music to carry the lyrics and give them a big cinematic feel. It ebbs and flows throughout – one of those songs I hope gets better with more listens.

In My Daze is a big finish to the record. It’s quite Beatlesy and a bit psychedelic, with slide guitar. I like the strange ‘whistling’ sound on it. What’s that?

BW: This song is another old one. It was originally played by and written for Sons of Great Dane, but I never felt it was finished or fit very well. The whistling sound is me drenched in reverb. I’m not a great whistler, so that was a huge pain in the ass and took me forever to get right. The slide part was originally put down as a reminder of what I wanted the whistle to be, but I ended up really liking it in the mix, so we kept it. I knew from the beginning that I wanted this song to end the record, and I think it turned out well and wrapped things up nicely.

Brent Windler

What are your plans for the rest of the year? Any gigs planned?

BW: I’m playing some shows here and around the Midwest this fall and winter. I hope to get out and do a lot more in 2022, but will see how everything turns out. I’m also going to hopefully have a few more songs to share by the end of this year as well.

Can we expect to see you play in the UK one day?

BW: I would love that. Hopefully all the stars align and everyone can get back out there and touring on a more regular basis. If I can get over there, I’ll definitely come play some shows.

Finally, what music – new and old –  have you been enjoying recently?

BW: Hmmm… Here is a handful I have been listening to as of lately:

Liam Kazar – Due North

Mini Trees – Carrying On

The Beach Boys – Sunflower

Supergrass – Road to Rouen

New Morning Howl  by Brent Windler is out now on Goldstar Recordings.

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