‘I’ve managed to exorcise and express something I never thought I would have to experience’

The title track of Michael Weston King’s new solo album, Nothing Can Hurt Me Anymore, is a dark, haunting and funereal, Southern Gothic-style ballad in the vein of Nick Cave, set in the countryside, with swaying pine trees and red kites circling in the sky.

In the atmospheric song, he sings: ‘In this house sleeps my wife and beside her sleeps my daughter. And the wind howls round the eaves, as I leave and close the door. And the willows that surround it are the weapons that protect us, because nothing can hurt me anymore.’

One morning in early March this year, Say It With Garage Flowers is sat with Weston King in the lounge of the house that’s mentioned in the song – his home, a farmyard cottage in rural mid-Wales – but there’s no wind howling outside, just bright blue sky and sunshine. The willows are around the door, though, and the red kites are wheeling overhead.

Eerily, a couple of hours later, when Weston King and filmmaker, John Humphreys, venture into the surrounding fields and countryside to make a video to accompany the song from which the album takes its name, the sky turns grey and foreboding, as if to complement the track’s unsettling atmosphere.

“There’s a short walk that I do quite often – along the canal, over the bridge, up to the hills and back – I pretty much wrote all of the song while I was doing that walk, just writing down everything I was looking at,” says Weston King. “It’s a kind of minor blues – it’s a bit like a Townes Van Zandt song.”

Like several songs on the album, ‘Nothing Can Hurt Me Anymore’ was informed by a family tragedy – in summer 2024, Weston King and his wife, Lou Dalgleish, who, together, make up the country-soul duo, My Darling Clementine, lost their six-year-old granddaughter, Bebe, in the Southport attacks, when 17-year-old Axel Rudakubana killed three young girls and attempted to kill ten others, including eight children, at a Taylor Swift-themed yoga and dance workshop.

Reflecting on the title track of the new album, Weston King says: “Lyrically, it’s a combination of moving to a new location and how it was slightly therapeutic for me after what happened to Bebe, so it’s partly a narrative description of the area and partly a reflection on losing her.”

The loss of Bebe derailed My Darling Clementine’s plans to record a new album – as much as they tried to carry on and make a record that was going to be about starting over and beginning a new life in the country – they moved to Wales from Manchester in 2023 – with the weight of so much sadness and grief bearing down on them, it just didn’t seem the right thing to do.

The tragic events of summer 2024 not only changed the music My Darling Clementine were making and the songs they were writing, it also altered their outlook on life.

Recognising that everyone’s grief is individual – even that of a husband and wife – Weston King and Dalgleish needed to channel their suffering via their own individual creativity and in their own way, rather than in collaboration, so they worked on two solo albums.

Dalgleish’s record will be out later this year, while Weston King’s – Nothing Can Hurt Me Anymore – is released on April 4, which is Bebe’s birthday.

Opening song, ‘The Golden Hour’, is his take on the devastating events of summer 2024 and references how the murder of the three young girls in Southport and their families’ grief was hijacked and exploited by the far right: ‘We took our sorrow home – some took it to the street…’  It’s a defiant and rousing anthem – a widescreen epic, with strong echoes of early Springsteen.

‘La Bamba In The Rain’ – set in the English seaside town of Southport, where Weston King grew up – addresses the current trend of flag waving across the UK, and the call by those on the right for the ethnicity and immigration status of perpetrators of attacks to be made public: ‘When the Union Jack’s unfurled, and placed around the waist of every teenage boy and girl.’

‘Just A Girl In The Summertime’ – written about Bebe – is a lush, ‘60s-style pop song; the cinematic ‘Die of Shame’, with its spy film guitar licks and dramatic string arrangement, concerns itself with the media coverage of the Southport tragedy, and final song, the stripped-back, delicate, and lullaby-like ‘Sally Sparkles’, was inspired by the ‘stage name’ Bebe used when she performed on the swing in her back garden.

Nothing Can Hurt Me Anymore was partly recorded in rural mid-Wales – at the small Add a Band studios, where Michael had made his solo album, The Struggle, in 2022 – and partly in not-so-rural Sheffield, at Yellow Arch Studios.

‘ ‘La Bamba In The Rain’ – set in the English seaside town of Southport, where Weston King grew up – addresses the current trend of flag waving across the UK’

The album was produced by Weston King, along with Colin Elliot (Richard Hawley, Jarvis Cocker, Self Esteem), who also plays on it (bass, keys, cello, percussion, backing vocals, brass programming), and Clovis Phillips.

Musicians on the record include Phillips (Bill Callahan, Richard Thompson, Jeb Loy Nichols); Dean Beresford (Richard Hawley, Imelda May) on drums; Matt Holland (Van Morrison) on trumpet and flugelhorn; Shez Sheridan (Richard Hawley, Duane Eddy, Nancy Sinatra) on guitar; Clive Mellor (Liam Gallagher, Richard Hawley) on harmonica; Jeb Loy Nichols on backing vocals, and Erin Moran – AKA A Girl Called Eddy, duetting with Weston King on ‘Just A Girl In The Summertime.’

A large part of the album is influenced and affected by his unimaginable personal loss, but not every song on the record is about the tragedy. There are a few lighter moments too, like ‘A Field of Our Own’, a gorgeous, folk-tinged and slightly jazzy tale about relocating to the countryside and, quite literally, finding pastures new; ‘When I Grow Old’, which is a bittersweet reflection on ageing, and the unabashed and uplifting love song to his wife, ‘Grow Old With Me,’ with its soulful horn arrangement and honest lyric: ‘Yes, I love being here on my own… I still need to know you’re coming home.’

Speaking about the album, Weston King tells us: “I’m really pleased with it, and I’m pleased with how I’ve managed to exorcise and express something I never thought I would have to experience  – consequently, it’s been a form of catharsis.”

Q&A

You weren’t planning to make a solo album, were you? The original idea was to record a new My Darling Clementine album, but the tragedy of losing Bebe altered your plans…

Michael Weston King: That’s right. We hadn’t made a new, original Clementine record for a while – the last one was an Elvis Costello covers album. To be honest, we made that partly because we had dried up a little bit with regards to writing – when you’re writing for two voices, it’s quite hard and a much more considered process – you can’t just let the muse take you. So, we did the Costello album – it was great fun to work with Steve Nieve on it – and, in 2023, it was time to make a new record, so I was writing songs for it and Lou was trying to get back into the groove of it.

We’d partly recorded three or four songs at Add a Band studios, with Clovis Phillips, and then what happened, happened, and it just didn’t feel right to be making that kind of record. We couldn’t really write beyond the pain that we were in, and, when you’re writing as a duo, you kind of compromise, but Lou and I didn’t want to compromise in how we were going to deal with the grief process. So, we made a decision: ‘There’s no Clementine record – we’re both going to make solo records, and we’ll make them at our own pace and release them accordingly.’

Not all of my new record is about losing Bebe – that would be a bit too much of an ask for the listener. So, some of the album ended up being a mixture of songs reflecting on the tragedy from a personal point of view and the events that happened – the gutter press and the far right coming to Southport to trash the place off the back of immigration… all that shit.

The other songs are about moving away and starting a new life, which we have done here. We had a different outlook just moving here, but, after what happened, your outlook on life changes considerably, and I think that’s reflected in the record.

‘Not all of my new record is about losing Bebe – that would be a bit too much of an ask for the listener’

I don’t know how you would even begin to deal with such a tragic situation, but I know you channelled your emotions into the songs. How quickly after losing Bebe did you feel comfortable writing about what happened?

I wrote the last song on the album, ‘Sally Sparkles’, when we were staying at my dad’s house – we stayed in Southport for about eight weeks, to be with our family.

One morning, I just woke up and wrote the song in ten minutes – that was only a few weeks after we lost Bebe. It wasn’t like, ‘I’ve got to write about it…’ – it just came out. The other songs that deal with the loss happened six months afterwards, but, again, I didn’t sit down to write them. I just let it come and wrote down what I felt. ‘The Golden Hour’ is pretty much about the events and what happened to us.

That’s one of my favourite songs on the album – it’s defiant and anthemic, and it feels like you’re channelling early Springsteen…

It’s unashamedly Bruce-esque – ‘For You’, from his earliest album, is always a song that I’ve loved and, on and off, over the years, I’ve kind of wanted to rewrite it. In the end, I wrote something in that style, but all about what happened. It is quite a defiant song – the chorus is: ‘She’ll never be over; she’ll never be gone… ‘ It’s quite an uplifting song to sing, even if, lyrically, it’s about a very tragic event.

‘Die of Shame’, which deals with the media coverage of the tragedy, has some great ‘60s spy film guitar on it and some dark strings…

Colin Elliot arranged the strings, and the fantastic guitar is by Shez Sheridan. That song wasn’t written for this record – Mark Billingham [crime writer] had a book called Die of Shame, which was going to be made into a TV series, and I thought I would have a bash at writing the theme tune. But the title got changed to something else and I had this song… It wasn’t fully finished, but I loved the chord turnaround.

It wasn’t a My Darling Clementine song, so it just sat there for a while, and then when everything happened – especially the doorstepping by the paparazzi and the unbelievable depths that they sunk to – it seemed appropriate, as a lot of the lyrics were dark and based on murder, as Mark’s books normally are, so, with a few line changes, the song wasn’t based on the book, but on my experience of dealing with those scumbags.

So, I sang it as though I was one of the photographers – the ambulance chasers who took pictures of the awful situation to sell them to the papers. I’m singing angrily about them, but also from their perspective.

‘A Field Of Our Own’ is one of the lighter songs on the record, and it was originally destined for what would’ve been the new My Darling Clementine album. It’s about keeping it rural…

(Laughs). Yeah – it’s a ‘move to the country’ kind of song, and it’s the fourth track. After three songs that deal with the tragedy, I thought we needed to move away from that to something else. It’s unashamedly written in a Ron Sexsmith style. It’s a reflection on moving out of the city, as it will be good for us – as it’s turned out to be.

And it features sheep on it… Did you record them?

Yes – I did my John Lomax thing… They’re not our sheep, but they’re just behind the field out there [he points to outside the house.]

‘A Field Of Our Own is unashamedly written in a Ron Sexsmith style. It’s a reflection on moving out of the city’

Just A Girl In The Summertime has a lush, ‘60s pop feel…

That’s a strange song – I had a track with my vocal, an acoustic guitar and some synth strings. I was trying to write something like The Pale Fountains – kind of ‘60s Bacharach with a bit of Love thrown in. It had been lying around for ages – it was originally about a boy/girl relationship, so I tweaked it lyrically – now the girl in the song is Bebe, and the second verse is me talking about my son, so it’s now on a whole other level. It’s about a girl who’s lost to us and a father who has lost his daughter.

I took it to Clovis to start with – he put the drums on and built the track, but I wasn’t happy with the synth strings, so, with Colin, we added cello, violin and viola to it, to give it that more authentic string sound. I still wanted to do something else with it, so I got Erin from A Girl Called Eddie to sing on it. I sent it to her and she was totally up for doing it – she went into a studio in New York, put the vocal down and sent it back. It was great.

‘I was trying to write something like The Pale Fountains – kind of ‘60s Bacharach with a bit of Love thrown in’

I wasn’t sure about how me getting another girl in to duet with me would sit with the old ball and chain, but Lou was pretty cool with it – I was quite surprised! Erin’s voice is a counterpoint to mine and it adds an extra level of sadness to it that wouldn’t have been there if I’d sung the whole thing. I love the drumming that Clovis did on it, and the guitar is a bit Isley Brothers – I sent him ‘Summer Breeze’; that was the remit I gave him.

The first single from the album, ‘La Bamba In The Rain’, is set in Southport…

That’s where it ended up being set… I started writing it in Aldeburgh, in Suffolk. Lou and I were there for a few days – it was a dreary day, there was a band playing ‘La Bamba’ in the rain, and it was this classic, weary seaside town.

I kind of half wrote it, and I knew it wasn’t going to be a My Darling Clementine song, so I didn’t really aim to finish it. But then when we lost Bebe, my focus was very much on my hometown of Southport, as I was living there for a few weeks with my family. So, I transferred my writing on Albeburgh to Southport. The second verse is all about Southport, and there are lines about the mayor, who was making promises after the events happened. So, the song became a mishmash of faded seaside towns that have seen better days, as Southport certainly has.

Musically, I was trying to write a song like ‘Band On The Run’. The only reason I used the word ‘undertaker’ was because it features in ‘Band On The Run’ – ‘the undertaker drew a heavy sigh’ – and it flows nicely. It wasn’t anything to do with funerals.

It’s a bit of a surreal song – it’s not to be taken too literally. The last verse references the shipping forecast: ‘Trafalgar and Fitzroy.’

‘The song became a mishmash of faded seaside towns that have seen better days, as Southport certainly has’

I wrote the chorus about seeing Southport and many other towns decked out in Union Jacks, and the proliferation of the far right, and those kind of towns with disgruntled people. The towns may have seen better days, but they are affluent and full of retired people with money – immigration is not going to be affecting them, so it’s bollocks that they should be wanting to wave a flag and protest about it. You obviously see it in the working-class areas, where people feel aggrieved, but you shouldn’t see it in places like Southport and Albeburgh.

‘When I Grow Old’ is another lighter song…

It’s an older song, but it seemed to fit – there is a theme about ageing on the record and changing your life and outlook.

Musically, ‘When I Grow Old’ is one of those simple, Neil Young-type songs, and that’s what we tried to for in the arrangement, with the electric guitar quite loud, even though it’s a ballad.

The song is a flight of fancy: will I end up as a fat, old guy on a Greek island? Where will I end up? It’s a fanciful thing – it’s not real. I like the middle-eight section – I’ve had it for ages, and I always wanted to get it into a song. It’s about having a debauched week but going to church on a Sunday to clean up. I’m one of those people who grew up with a church background, and even though my faith doesn’t really exist very much these days – and it hasn’t for a long time – I’ve always fluctuated a bit between my church upbringing – as a believer – and then being a non-believer. That’s summed up in the middle eight of the song.

‘A Mother’s Pride’ is one of the oldest songs on the album…

I wrote it within a year of my mum dying, which was in 2006. It’s unashamedly a power pop/Squeeze kind of track. My mum was a Squeeze fan.

The guitar solo reminds me of Glen Tilbrook’s playing…

What Clovis played is fantastic. I was hoping to get John Perry from The Only Ones to play on it, but that never worked out. Clovis is such a brilliant guitar player, so I just said to him, solo-wise, ‘Pulling Mussels [from the Shell]’ – that’s what we’re going for here’ and he did it.

The song also mentions your dad, and what you thought would happen to him after the death of your mum…

Yes – it fits with the theme of grief and loss and people ageing – it’s all in that song. My dad lived for nearly 20 years on his own after my mum died. Even though the song was written not long after my mum died, I was foreseeing what would happen to my dad’s life.

‘Into The West’, is one of the darker moments on the album. Was that written for the My Darling Clementine album which didn’t happen?

We were going to try and have a go at it. I’ve always been a lover of R.S. Thomas – the Welsh poet and vicar. When we moved here, I went down a bit of an R.S. Thomas wormhole – five miles from here, there’s a village where he was the vicar. There was a book written about him called The Man Who Went Into The West – he ended up being the vicar of a church that overlooked Bardsey Island. You can’t get any further west. Me and my son, Oliver, who is a poet, went on an R.S. Thomas pilgrimage.

Oliver reads a poem on the track…

Yes, so that ties in. It’s a song about getting out of where we were [Manchester] because I hated it there, and I sing about Winter Hill, which is just outside Bolton and casts a shadow over the Northwest. It always rains there, and Winter Hill cast a shadow for me because when I was younger and living near there, it was an unhappy time. It’s a song about leaving your past behind and moving somewhere else. At the end of the song, Oliver reads an R.S. Thomas poem, but some of the lines are ones that he wrote that I felt were appropriate.

‘Winter Hill cast a shadow for me because when I was younger and living near there, it was an unhappy time’

It has some wailing harmonica by Clive Mellor and musically it reminds me of Ennio Morricone – it’s very haunting…

A lot of that is to do with Clovis’s electric guitar – that echoey Daniel Lanois reverb. Like ‘Nothing Can Hurt Me Anymore’, it’s quite cinematic.

Are you pleased with the album?

I am – I’m really pleased. When you’re making a record, you always have ups and downs: ‘Is it awful or is it great?’ But I’ve been doing it a long time now, so I know I can have those doubts, and you just ride them out.

I’m pleased with how I’ve managed to exorcise and express something I never thought I would have to experience, and, consequently, it’s been a form of catharsis. Writing it has helped me and I know it’s been the same with Lou, who has been writing her songs, but it doesn’t change anything.

Nothing Can Hurt Me Anymore is released on April 4 (Continental Song City).

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‘I don’t think we’re going to be doing this forever – we’re getting long in the tooth…’

The Long Ryders. Left to right: Sid Griffin, Stephen McCarthy and Greg Sowders. Photo by Henry Diltz.

 

Pioneering US band The Long Ryders unknowingly kick-started what become the Americana / alt-country movement when they formed in LA in the early ‘80s.

Part of the Paisley Underground scene – they were contemporaries of R.E.M. – the band split up in 1987, but reformed several times in the Noughties, and, in 2019, released their first album in 32 years – Psychedelic Country Soul.

The follow up, September November, came out in 2023, and included protest rock ‘n’ roll, cowboy country, folk-rock, and psych.

‘High Noon Hymns sees The Long Ryders back in the saddle, with all guns blazing’

Now they’re back with a brand-new record, High Noon Hymns, and, like its predecessor, it was produced by Ed Stasium (The Ramones, Living Colour, Soul Asylum) and made at Kozy Tone Studios in Poway, California – Stasium’s home studio.

With barnstorming, guitar-fuelled, Trump-baiting political anthems like Four Winters Away and Stand A Little Further In The Fire, as well as melodic country rock (World Without Fear and Ramona) and reflective and nostalgic Paisley Underground jangling (Say Goodbye To Crying), High Noon Hymns sees The Long Ryders back in the saddle, with all guns blazing, and feels very much like a companion piece to September November.

Guests on High Noon Hymns include D.J. Bonebrake – from L.A. punk band X – on vibes – and bluegrass prodigy, Wyatt Ellis, on mandolin.

Say It With Garage Flowers spoke to frontman, Sid Griffin, about making the new album, the legacy of The Long Ryders, working with Gene Clark in the ’80s and trying to stay positive in a dark world.

Q&A

The last time we spoke was in 2023, ahead of the release of September November. You told me then that you had five songs left over from the sessions for that record, so did any of those tracks end up on High Noon Hymns?

Sid Griffin: Good memory – four of them did.

Like its predecessor, the new record was produced by Ed Stasium, and recorded at his Kozy Tone Studios in Poway, California. When did you make the new album?

We met and recorded at Ed’s house in July 2025.

What’s your relationship with Ed like? What does he bring to the party?

Well, his musical taste is so much the same [as ours]. You don’t have to explain this or that to Ed. If you get a guy that doesn’t match up, it just doesn’t work sometimes… Stephen Hague was a hot producer in the early ‘80s, and he was assigned to do the first R.E.M. sessions for IRS. It had synthesizers on it…  those tracks have never come out, and the R.E.M. guys said, ‘Nope – they weren’t us…’

Nothing against Hague – he just popped into my head, and he was a talented guy who had hits – but the point is, it was a mismatch – it was the wrong call and it didn’t make any sense. You need someone that speaks your language, and Ed speaks it – in the way that Hague didn’t speak the language of R.E.M.

With Ed, I can make a reference to some old Brill Building girl group classic and, as he’s slightly older than me and a New Yorker, he will know the song. Or I can say something about George Harrison or Neil Finn and he will know what I mean. He’s heard All Things Must Pass, or whatever the hell it is. That’s what you need.

Did you know what kind of album you wanted to make this time around?

It’s a classic Long Ryders thing to have these meetings when we say: ‘Let’s make an album like an electric folk-rock Rubber Soul – that’s the scene and that’s what we’re going to do…’ and then when we get in the studio, we just forget about it. So, the answer is ‘Yes – we decide on a theme and then we ignore it.’ Why? It’s just what happens…

I think High Noon Hymns feels like a companion piece to September November

I agree. Psychedelic Country Soul was our comeback album – we hadn’t made a record in 25 years or whatever, and we made it in Dr. Dre’s studio, which was great – Val Garay owned it, before he sold it to Dr. Dre. It’s the studio where Kim Carnes recorded Bette Davis Eyes.

‘We say, ‘Let’s make an album like an electric folk-rock Rubber Soul,’ then when we get in the studio, we just forget about it’

Our next two albums, September November and the new one, were both recorded in the style of The Basement Tapes, in Ed Stasium’s house. He has a sizeable house in the Greater San Diego area – we moved the sofa to the wall, put the furniture in one or two rooms and just set up on his rugs, with his record collection and his books on the wall around us. It’s an equally good way of recording. In some ways it’s not as good as recording at Dr Dre’s studio in Los Angeles, and in some ways it’s better.

One of the guests on the new album is D.J. Bonebrake, drummer from LA punk band X, who plays vibes. He was also on September November…

Yeah, and he’s also on my solo album, The Journey From Grape To Raisin – there’s a plug for you… D.J. is a brilliant drummer and a fantastic human being – he’s a sweetheart of a guy and very modest – and he plays virtuoso vibes. He could sit in with a modern jazz quartet.

And bluegrass prodigy, Wyatt Ellis, plays mandolin on the new record too…

Yeah. Our drummer, Greg Sowders, is a publishing mogul by day at Warner Chappell Music, in Los Angeles, California. Greg signed Wyatt Ellis to a deal as a songwriter, putting him together with a bunch of guys like Bernie Leadon of The Eagles. So, I said, ‘Look – I’m playing mandolin on this record, but why don’t we have Wyatt Ellis playing on a track?’

He’s young and aggressive, and I’m sure one day we won’t be able to get him – he’ll be a big star. We’re lucky to get him – he’s only 17 or 18, and in a few years, just forget it. He’s going to be like a male Emmylou Harris or Lucinda Williams – he’s going to be huge.

Murry Hammond plays bass on the new album, and so does your guitarist, Stephen McCarthy…

Yeah – Stephen plays a little bass. They wanted me to play the bass, and I said, ‘That’s a mistake – you’ve got two good bass players, why would you want the third best bass player in the room to play?’

Photo by Henry Diltz.

 

The last time we spoke, we talked about your former bass player, Tom Stevens, who died in 2021. You told me that for a while you didn’t know whether The Long Ryders would carry on after his death. How does it feel now five years have passed, and having made two more albums. Are you in a good place and are you glad you carried on?

Yeah, but I don’t think we’re going to be doing this forever. I gotta tell you, we’re getting long in the tooth, and people have responsibilities, with families, and Greg’s career takes up a lot of his time.

We can only rehearse X number of weeks a year… but I think it was wise to crack on. It’s certainly built a legacy up. There’s this guy on X [formerly Twitter] who has a huge following and reports on indie music – I can’t remember his name, but he was saying that of all the ‘80s and ‘90s bands that have got back together, the only one that’s risen to the same standard, or even surpassed the standard of their heyday, is The Long Ryders. That’s great.

There is no one else on that list that’s making records as good or better than they did in their youth, when they got the most media attention. I think we’ve made another good album, but whether we’ll make a fourth, a fifth and a six, I couldn’t say.

I saw you play in London, at 229, in 2024, and you were on fire…

About a year ago, I was walking down the street in my neighbourhood [North London] and these two guys recognised me. We were chatting and they said, ‘Long Ryders at 229 – best gig of the year…’

They were obviously in the record industry – it was the vocabulary and nomenclature that they used. So, I asked them what they did and one of them said he was one of Noel Gallagher’s PAs. I laughed and said: ‘He’s got more than one?’ And the other guy said he was Noel’s guitar tech. I said: ‘What are you guys doing in my neighbourhood?’ They said: ‘Well, Oasis have accepted a reunion tour offer, so they’re rehearsing at Noel’s studio.’

The Long Ryders at 229, in London – 2024. Photo by Sean Hannam.

 

You can walk to it from my house. So, I said, ‘That’s amazing,’ and I told them that Noel Gallagher had said to Steve Lamacq twice that he liked [the Long Ryders song] Looking For Lewis and Clark. They said. ‘We’re gonna tell him that we just saw you.’  And I said, ‘Wow – that’s very flattering.’

Let’s talk about some of the songs on the new record. Four Winters Away was the first single and it’s also the first track on the album. It’s classic Long Ryders – a barnstorming, politically-charged anthem, and the title is a reference to Trump’s term in office… 

Absolutely. It was written for the first album, but we screwed up the recording of it. The first time Stephen and Greg recorded the backing track I wasn’t in the studio and I had to tell them it wasn’t good. So, we dumped it and I thought, ‘well, that’s sad…’ As Biden had won the next battle, I thought it was the end of Donald Trump, but, as loathsome as he is, he’s probably made the greatest political comeback in American history.

So, in summer 2025, I said,  ‘I want to revisit Four Winters Away, as it means a lot to me.’ So, the guys said ‘yeah’, and this time I was in the studio with them, and we got it. I’m pleased to say, I think we were one of the first proper anti-Trump things out there. We’d have been the first if we’d done it the first time. Now Springsteen’s joined in and Billy Bragg. We’re part of the parcel and I’m glad we’ve been swept up in it.

By coming out now, in light of what’s happened in Minneapolis, it feels even more relevant…

Yeah. I knew it was going to come out, and then Renée Good got killed, and then Alex Pretti, and I was thinking, ‘God, this is timely…’

‘I thought it was the end of Donald Trump, but, as loathsome as he is, he’s probably made the greatest political comeback in American history’

How does what’s happening now make you feel when you have to go to America?

I don’t know that I’ll be going back anytime soon, but I want to play there. The last time I was there was about a year ago, when I played with Peter Case. We did a month-long tour in March of 2025, and when I was leaving to fly back to London, I was chatting to the customs guy, who was very friendly – he was a Yank – and he said: ‘Have you got any anti-Trump stuff on your phone?’

I looked at him and said: ‘What did you say? I thought you were supposed to ask guys that when they’re entering – not leaving.’ He nervously laughed, looked around and said: ‘I don’t care…’, but then he shrugged his shoulders and said: ‘When you come back, here’s a word to the wise…’ How scary is that?

World Without Fear, which was written by Stephen McCarthy, is also themed around hope. In the lyric, it says: ‘I dream of a world without fear…’ It feels like it carries on thematically from Four Winters Away

It is part of a theme… I hadn’t really thought about it and made that connection, but you’re right… That was a real fun one to record – that little Brian Wilson bit in the middle… That one’s in the set list – we’re going to be playing it live.

Stand A Little Further In The Fire, which was written by you, is great – another moody, piledriving rock song which mentions Trump, who you call ‘the liar-in-chief…’

Well spotted. The title came from a friend at the gym – there were about eight of us walking somewhere… One of our friends got involved with hard drugs, and somebody said something about him getting clean: ‘No – foolishly, he’s decided to stand a little further in the fire…’ I thought it was a great phrase.

The song Ramona is lighter in tone musically, with a country-rock feel…

Yeah – it’s sort of second album Flying Burrito Brothers. That’s one of our touchstones.

(How How How) How Do You Want To Be Loved? is another lighter moment on the album…

Yeah… I’m one of the few people that didn’t like the Get Back film by The Beatles – I thought it was tedious and so long. You get to see that their rehearsals were as boring as anybody else’s. But I was amazed by the part where McCartney picks up the bass and writes Get Back. So, I thought, ‘I’ll do that…’ and that’s How How How (How) Do You Want To Be Loved?

My wife was pottering around in the background [at home], and I thought: [sings]: ‘How, how, how, how do you want to be loved?’ As pompous and presumptuous as it sounds, that was my attempt to be Paul McCartney. I thought if he could write a song out of thin air, maybe I could.

‘I’m one of the few people that didn’t like the Get Back film by The Beatles – I thought it was tedious and so long’

As the title suggests, A Hymn for the City of Angels, is a song about LA, where you moved to from Kentucky in the ‘70s, to make it as a musician…

Yeah – I got there in October 1977. I told everybody in Kentucky I was going to do it. I said, ‘I’m getting out…’

Very few people, including my parents and a lot of my close friends, thought I was going to do it. People just didn’t do that kind of thing. My parents made me go to university – they said, ‘You go to university, get an undergraduate degree, and it’s your life…’

I graduated on June 1, and spent the summer just goofing around, as young people do, wasting time. And I went to LA – I took 10 or 11 days to drive across the country. It was like a three-day drive, but, on the way, I visited friends in Denver and Texas – I just had the best time all by myself, and when I got to LA, it was just incredible.

I’m trying to write a reminiscence – a kind of autobiography of those early days. I’ve finished two passes, and I’ve got a guy interested in it, but I’ve got to sit down and finish it.

They were very happy times, and I did go to LA, to ‘make it’, as people do. I once had a great conversation with Gina Schock, the drummer from The Go-Go’s, because she drove out from Maryland, and did the same. Obviously she did a lot better than I did, as The Go-Go’s were quite successful commercially.

She loaded up her drums in a car, threw some clothes and her favourite records in there and drove to LA. So, good for her. People go to LA to make it – it’s such a great storybook kind of thing. That’s my kind of cliché – I really did that, and it was life-changing. And, as Dylan wrote in Chronicles, people left Minnesota to go to New York City, and they never came back. I thought that’s me. I love Kentucky very much, but I’m never going back. I’ll never live there again.

Photo by Henry Diltz.

 

Wanted Man In Arkansas from the new record is one of Stephen’s songs…

Yeah – it’s a traditional country thing…

There’s a guy on the run from the law, who robs a liquor store, and shoots the proprietor…

You gotta have one of those [songs]. People like Dave Alvin come up with that kind of material – really solid stuff that’s total Americana.

Let’s talk about your song, A Belief In Birds

That was recorded for September November, but we just didn’t have time to finish it. During the sessions for the new album, I said to Ed: ‘I really liked A Belief In Birds…’ He looked at me and said, ‘So did I. How come it wasn’t on the last record?’ And I said, ‘Well, we didn’t quite finish it…’

He went: ‘I’ve got it here.’ So, he got it up, and he and I listened to it while the other guys were eating or doing whatever they were doing. And he said: ‘What do you want to do?’ And I said, ‘Well, I’d like to do this and that, and finish it…’

So, without checking with the other guys, we started working on it. And then Stephen came in and said, ‘That sounds great,’, and we finished it off, which I’m very pleased about, because it’s just terrific.

In the song, you say how you’re jealous of birds being able to soar and swoop and glide away. Are you a fan of our feathered friends?

Yeah – my friend, Dave Crouch, at Rhino Records, is an ornithologist, and he got me into it. Birds are so free and they’re so incredible… I was reading in a newspaper that there’s some bird that they claim can fly for several hours without having to land and rest. That is just incredible to me. When I think about it, it’s a metaphor for independence and freedom. I thought it was a good idea to write a song about it.

So, you’re influenced by birds and The Byrds…

Yeah, but that song is about our feathered friends, as opposed to McGuinn and company.

Talking of The Byrds, you worked with Gene Clark on The Long Ryders’ 1984 debut album, Native Sons – he sang backing vocals on Ivory Tower. How was that?

He was great, but, because he’s got a cult following now, it’s hard for Europeans to understand that when we called him up to sing on the record, he was so unpopular – he couldn’t get arrested. He did it for $75 –  he didn’t know who we were and he didn’t really care. I know it was $75 because it was my money.

Gene once did an in-store at Aron’s Records on Melrose – the hip retail street in West Hollywood – and one guy showed up. The guy was a friend of mine… I couldn’t go and my friend went and he said no one was there.

Here’s some trivia for you – [David] Crosby was going to sing on September November. He kept saying, ‘I’ll do an overdub’, but we didn’t do it, and then he died.

That’s such a shame. There are more birds mentioned on the song Rain In Your Eyes from the new album – the lyric refers to a sparrow and a songbird…

Yeah… I had a friend who suffered from a depressive episode, and one of the things the doctor told him was to get out of the house in the morning, go for a walk and listen to birds. Even in an urban area at 6am or 7am, the dawn patrol is chirping, and studies have shown it lifts the human spirit and fights depression. I pass that along to your readers.

Say Goodbye To Crying is one of my favourite songs on the record – it’s a reflective ballad and it has a jangly, Paisley Underground feel…

It does – I hadn’t really thought about it, but it’s nice that you got that – the song can be kind of a homage to the Paisley Underground days. They were very happy days – everyone was so supportive, and people lived near each other in the West Hollywood area.

Photo by Henry Diltz.

‘We try not to be a negative band and to set a positive example, as life is grim enough without more darkness’

It’s also a song about trying to stay positive – the album is a pretty hopeful record…

It is. We try not to be a negative band and to set a positive example, as life is grim enough without more darkness, but whatever our definition of positivity is might not be everybody else’s… I find it hard to read the newspaper these days – the news is so bad… It’s the rise of horrible people doing horrible things.

The album ends with your version of Dylan’s Forever Young. Why did you decide to close the record with a cover?

It was our drummer Greg Sowders’s idea – when you see him, you can ask him why. I think it’s a good idea and it’s a good song. We had Wyatt Ellis, the young bluegrass prodigy, play on it. In 10 years, people will be talking about him like they talk about Steve Earle, I promise.

Forever Young, which Dylan wrote for his son, Jesse, is another hopeful song, so High Noon Hymns starts and ends with songs of hope…

That’s a very good point. I’m hoping that we have a reaction to all the bad things in the world, and that we end up with some good days, because right now, wow…

Where did the album title come from?

Stephen McCarthy thought of it – we’re getting on and there’s the whole Western thing, and the high noon of our career. This is sort of it – if we keep recording, sooner or later there’s going to be a downhill slide to it. I’ve hit 70 and I did my first paying gig at 15… You do the math. It was in Kentucky and we got $100, which was huge at that time.

It was more than Gene Clark got paid for singing on Ivory Tower

Yeah…

High Noon Hymns is released on March 13 – CD and double vinyl – via Cherry Red Records

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