2023 – the year I was Made By Music

It’s been five years since I became a freelance journalist and 2023 was my best year so far – thanks largely to me being asked to host a new podcast called Made By Music for British hi-fi brand Cambridge Audio.

The series, which is available exclusively on Spotify, sees me interviewing guests, including musicians, producers, actors / comedians and authors, about their life and career, and asking them to choose four ‘Music Moments’ – a song from their childhood, a track that’s influenced them, one of their own songs or one that’s connected to their career, and their ultimate track.

We play the songs and discuss why they’re important to my guests.

I’ve spoken to some fascinating, inspiring and entertaining people, including Boy George, Fatboy Slim, P.P. Arnold, Youth, Jazzie B, Andy Bell (Ride and Oasis), Miki Berenyi (Lush), Sice (The Boo Radleys), James Lavelle (UNKLE),  Matt Berry, Stephen Street, Alexis Taylor (Hot Chip), Irvine Welsh, Mark Billingham, Billy Duffy (The Cult), Neil Barnes (Leftfield), James Skelly (The Coral), Paul Hartnoll (Orbital), Romesh Ranganathan and Chris Difford (Squeeze).

It’s been a lot of fun to do – I’d like to thank Cambridge Audio for asking me to get involved – and we’ve got more episodes planned for 2024.

You can listen to all the episodes here.

Fatboy Slim and Sean Hannam

Backburner

As my freelance work has increased over the past 12 months, it’s meant that I’ve had to put my blog, Say It With Garage Flowers, which has been a labour of love for almost 15 years, on the backburner.

‘The Made By Music podcast has been a lot of fun to do – I’d like to thank Cambridge Audio for asking me to get involved – and we’ve got more episodes planned for 2024’

It will return in the new year – one of my resolutions for 2024 is to publish more articles on it – but, in the meantime, here’s a list of my favourite albums of this year and some thoughts on a few of them.

James Lavelle and Sean Hannam

If you’ve listened to the podcast this year, then thanks so much for your support – I’ve had lots of great feedback about the show and it’s been really well received in the audio and music industries.

It’s also been a brilliant opportunity for me to listen to a lot of great music – both new and old – and I hope you find plenty to investigate and enjoy while looking at my choices for the Best Albums of 2023 and listening to the accompanying Spotify playlist. Here’s to plenty more Music Moments in 2024.

Best Albums of 2023

Back in 2018, I chose UK Americana supergroup Bennett Wilson Poole’s self-titled debut album as my favourite record of that year.

Now, five years later, the long overdue follow-up, I Saw A Star Behind Your Eyes, Don’t Let It Die Away, has made it to the top of my list of the best albums of 2023 – I thought it was even better than its predecessor.

The first record by Bennett Wilson Poole –  Robin Bennett (Goldrush, Dreaming Spires), Danny Wilson (Grand Drive, Danny and the Champions of the World), and Tony Poole (Starry Eyed and Laughing – ‘the English Byrds’) –  was only ever intended to be a one-off collaborative project, but the group’s chief songwriters, Bennett and Wilson, soon found themselves working on new material and before they knew it, they had enough tunes for a follow-up record.

Sadly, due to Covid restrictions and also Poole suffering from health issues, album number two was delayed, but it finally came out in the spring of 2023.

Bennett Wilson Poole – photo by John Morgan

It didn’t mess around – opening song, I Saw Love was life-affirming and harmonic power pop, in the vein of The Byrds and The Beatles.

“I was going for an early Beatles sound,” says producer Poole. “I played everything on it. I remember Danny and Robin’s astonished faces when I played them the track which was created around their basic guide acoustic guitars and vocals.”

Poole, who as well as being a studio wizard – his inventive and playful production techniques transform Bennett and Wilson’s songs into gloriously rich pocket symphonies – is also king of the jangly, electric 12-string Rickenbacker guitar, which features prominently in the band’s sound, along with their superb vocal harmonies and arrangements.

The ending of I Saw Love features a sixth note harmony that recalls The Beatles’ She Loves You. It’s just one of many moments on the album that reference classic rock and pop songs – listeners will have fun trying to spot them all.

Tie-Dye T-Shirt has an intro that pays homage to The Who’s Won’t Get Fooled Again and features a vocal refrain of ‘open up your eyes,’ which echoes Everlasting Love by ‘60s British pop band Love Affair.

“When Danny and Robin first laid down the basic voice and acoustic guitar track, they’d envisaged it as a Gram Parsons-type country song – little did they know,” says Poole. “I’d already somehow been inspired to reference The Who, but I don’t know where that came from – no special pills were involved.”

Bennett Wilson Poole’s first album was in love with the vintage sounds of America’s West Coast, but this collection of songs owes more to British ‘60s psych-pop like The Beatles and The Zombies.

“This album is all the ‘Bs’ – The Byrds, Big Star, The Beatles and The Beach Boys. We’re massive fans of Odessey and Oracle by The Zombies, too. We were listening to stuff like that,” says Wilson.

I Wanna Love You (But I Can’t Right Now) is about having a love/hate relationship with the USA – how the country’s dark political situation over the past few years has overshadowed all the great culture and art it has produced throughout history.

“It’s a love song to America, but how everything that has gone on there has sullied it. The UK is hard to love sometimes too,” says Wilson.

Adds Bennett: “I really like that song. I can remember it started when we were driving back from a gig and Danny had an idea for the chorus, which was almost like a parody of The Backstreet Boys’ I Want It That Way but flipping it and making it about politics and culture.”

He adds: “There were quite a few references that didn’t make it into the song and there are a few that I don’t think people will ever find. There’s a bit of Walt Whitman and Allen Ginsberg.”

‘Bennett Wilson Poole’s first album was in love with the vintage sounds of America’s West Coast, but this collection of songs owes more to British ‘60s psych-pop like The Beatles and The Zombies’

It’s an irresistible and infectious song – the chorus is a killer – and one of the album’s few country rock moments.

The other is the gorgeous and nostalgic Cry At The Movies. Written about an old man who was born at the start of World War II and fell in love with the silver screen, it sounds like Neil Young teaming up with The Byrds circa Sweetheart of the Rodeo.

Album closer, the dream-like The Sea and The Shore, is a topical anti-hate song – a heartfelt and moving plea for unity, which started off as a home demo with Bennett at his piano.

“I played everything else on it,” explains Poole. “It was a bit like Jeff Lynne working on John Lennon’s home recordings to create Free As A Bird and Real Love. Danny put some harmonies on the verses too.”

He adds: “As a final reminder, I extended the last chord in the way that A Day In The Life does. It just seemed that the song’s sentiments should still be playing for ever, long after the record was over.”

Says Poole: “ I think all the songs talk about that the love concept that Ringo always goes on about. We’re not The Beatles – we don’t have that reach – but we’re putting a little bit of something out into the world to counteract all that hate that is around at the moment. Love may not be all you need, but it’s absolutely the basis for everything.”

This is a fab album that it’s thrall to old-fashioned pop music, and classic rock ‘n’ roll. What’s not to love about that?

 

Quite a few of Say It With Garage Flowers’ favourite acts released new albums in 2023 and all of them were great.

Liverpudlian psych-folk-pop band The Coral put out two brilliant records on the same day – their eleventh album proper, Sea of Mirrors, and a companion piece, the pirate radio-themed murder ballads and country-flavoured Holy Joe’s Coral Island Medicine Show, which was only available on physical formats.

Both albums were the last records to be made at Liverpool’s Parr Street Studios and followed on from 2021’s brilliant 24-track double concept album Coral Island, inspired by faded British seaside glamour, childhood holidays to North Wales, end-of-the pier amusements, pre-Beatles rock ‘n’ roll and jukebox pop.

Musically, Coral Island’s influences included Duane Eddy, Chuck Berry, Sun Records, Joe Meek, The Kinks, The Byrds and Crosby, Stills & Nash.

After we’d put Coral Island to bed, our co-producer, Chris Taylor at Parr Street, asked us if we wanted to make the last album ever made at the studios,” says Coral frontman, James Skelly.

“We didn’t really have any new songs at that point, so I just sat down and wrote some.

“It got to point where we were going in and just writing things in there, on the day. It kind of felt like the walls were crumbling around us as we were in there recording every day.”

He adds: “I took what we’d done home and started to realise that we might have made two albums. There was one that had more of a story to it, sounding in a way like our version of country, the other a bit more stream of consciousness. At that point, it’s a case of wondering: well, what haven’t we done? Nobody’s ever given us a film soundtrack, so we decided to make a version of our own.”

‘After we’d put Coral Island to bed, our co-producer asked us if we wanted to make the last album ever made at the studios. We didn’t really have any new songs at that point, so I just sat down and wrote some’

So, Sea of Mirrors was The Coral’s take on a surreal, European Spaghetti Western soundtrack and was partly inspired by the Wim Wenders movie The State of Things, in which a film crew are trying to make a movie in Portugal in the 1950s and the story revolves around everything that happens on and around the set.

Another inspiration for the album was Lee Hazlewood’s A Cowboy In Sweden – a soundtrack to a 1970 TV special, which is very cinematic and psychedelic.

Says Skelly: “I was listening to A Cowboy in Sweden and thinking is there anything more ridiculous and Coral than a European Western?”

Sea of Mirrors opens with the atmospheric and folky scene-setting instrumental The Actor and The Cardboard Cowboy and then there are more folk influences at play on the haunting, autumnal and ‘60s sounding Cycles of The Seasons, which has a gorgeous, swooning string arrangement by Sean O’Hagan (The High Llamas and Stereolab), who previously worked with The Coral on 2010’s Butterfly House.

Similarly evocative is the beautifully dreamy Faraway Worlds, which has a Beach Boys-style vocal harmony interlude and could’ve come off Pet Sounds it’s that good.

First single, the upbeat Wild Bird, plunged us into familiar Coral territory, with its twangy guitar and infectious chorus. It’s a campfire cowboy song mixed with Northern folk sounds – Ennio Morricone meets Merseyside.

Twangy guitars ride again on the superb North Wind, which is haunted by the ghost of Joe Meek.

The title track is delicate and wistful psych-pop, while the ‘60s-influenced That’s Where She Belongs pulls out the twangy guitars yet again, and The Way You Are is  a lovely, mesmerising ballad, with a great orchestral arrangement – fittingly, it sounds like the theme song to a long-lost ‘60s cult film.

And, on that note, this soundtrack to a movie that doesn’t exist ends with a fitting and dramatic finale – the string-laden Oceans Apart, which features narration by Oppenheimer  and Peaky Blinders actor Cillian Murphy.

Brilliantly, the band described the track as ‘the Bohemian Rhapsody Queen would’ve written if, instead of touring the world, they stayed in watching cinecittà studios films and listening to Gene Clark.’

It was great to take another trip into the wonderfully weird world of The Coral. Who knows where they’ll go next.

You can listen to me interviewing James Skelly on the Made By Music podcast here:

You wait ages for a Dot Allison album to come – 12 years in fact – and then two arrive in quick succession.

Hot on the heels of 2021’s superb Heart-Shaped Scars came the equally impressive Consciousology, which felt very much like a companion piece to its predecessor, with similar lyrical themes and ideas, including science, nature and botany, as well as musical influences like folk singers Tim Hardin, Karen Dalton and Nick Drake, the mid-‘60s pop symphonies of the Beach Boys, electronica, avant-garde composers, cinematic string arrangements, pastoral atmospherics and psychedelic sounds.

Ride guitarist and sonic experimentalist, Andy Bell, guested on two tracks – the first single, a gorgeous, love song called Unchanged, and Double Rainbow, which featured the electrical activity of a plant translated into pitch variations. That’s something you don’t hear every day.

Recorded with the same team as Heart-Shaped Scars, namely co-producer Fiona Cruickshank and orchestral arranger, Hannah Peel, Consciousology was a stunning collection of immersive and often hauntingly beautiful songs, some of which featured the London Contemporary Orchestra.

Commenting on whether the record was a concept album, Allison said: “It’s me wanting to have an excuse to talk about things I feel passionate about and it informs the lyrics.

“It is a wee bit of a concept album in as much as the reason it’s called Consciousology  is because I’m really interested in the study of consciousness – there’s quite a lot of evidence to suggest that consciousness extends beyond the brain and that it could be electromagnetic. I’m fascinated by it and I want to talk about it and put it out there – to be a wee droplet in an ocean of conversation. I’ll put the concept in there but not at the expense of the song – the song has to win…”

 

For his debut solo album, Richard Olson & The Familiars, the frontman of London’s cosmic country kings, The Hanging Stars, and former member of The See See and The Eighteenth Day of May, let his freak flag fly, with stunning results.

It was a wonderfully eclectic and inventive record, opening with the spacey, Primal Scream-style psychedelic dub of I Can’t Help Myself, before movin’ on up to the irresistible and breezy, orch-pop of Fall Into My Hands, taking a detour into the English countryside for the gorgeous ‘60s and ‘70s pastoral folk of Down Looking Up, heading to a Swedish forest for the Lee Hazlewood twilight croon of A Thousand Violins and then moving into krautrock territory for the hypnotic Little Heart.

Elsewhere there’s a Spacemen 3-inspired cover version of Air by Brit-folk-psych outfit The Incredible String Band, a homage to the garage-rock of early Brian Jonestown Massacre records (I’m A Butterfly), a Velvet Undergroundesque spoken word piece (Rain) and the haunting, psychedelic folk lullaby Inside Sunshine.

“I had a bunch of songs and I didn’t know what I wanted to do with them, so I was like it, ‘Fuck it – I’m just going to make a record!’ the Swedish-born singer-songwriter told Say It With Garage Flowers. “The rules were completely thrown out of the window – that was fun.”

Big issues such as climate change and wildfires (Adiós And Goodnight), the plight of Syrian refugees,  the rise of Trump, (A Makeshift Raft) and the cruelness of the Tory government (The Long Way) were  all subjects that singer-songwriter Stephen Duffy explored on The Lilac Time’s latest album, Dance Till All The Stars Come Down.

Their first album since 2019’s Return To Us  and the eleventh since they released their eponymous debut in 1987, it was a wonderful record. Acoustic, stripped-back, sparse and intimate – it doesn’t feature conventional drums or bass – it had a rustic country-folk feel. It was also very much a family affair – The Lilac Time comprises Duffy, his brother, Nick, and wife, Claire.

Stephen Duffy

‘Getting rid of the bass and drums and focusing on the guitar playing and the singing made it feel better for me – it forced me to concentrate more on the songs because there was nothing to hide behind’

Ben Peeler played pedal steel guitar and the songs were beautifully mixed and mastered by the Grammy-winning John Paterno, who has worked with The Lilac Time since 2015 – his other clients include Bonnie Raitt, Badly Drawn Boy and Robbie Williams – Duffy co-wrote songs with Williams in the early Noughties.

Talking to Say It With Garage Flowers, Duffy said he thought Dance Till All The Stars Come Down was his best record yet: “I suppose you always think that, and then years later, you think, ‘that was a load of old nonsense’. But, with this, getting rid of the bass and drums and focusing on the guitar playing and the singing has made it feel better for me – it forced me to concentrate more on the songs too, because there was nothing to hide behind. ”

Toronto singer-songwriter, Jerry Leger, has enjoyed a long working relationship with fellow Canadian musician and producer, Michael Timmins (Cowboy Junkies), but for his 2023 album – Donlands, which was his fourteenth,  he opted for someone else behind the controls – another Canadian music legend, producer / engineer, Mark Howard, who’s worked with Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Tom Waits and Lucinda Williams.

“Not a lot of people make records like Mark Howard anymore,” says Leger. “After I got to tell him how much Tom Waits’s Real Gone meant to me, I fell right into the experience.

‘Leger’s latest album was his most atmospheric, sonically interesting and striking yet – largely a departure from his folk, blues-rock and Americana roots for a spooky and intimate, cinematic soul sound’

“Like all my albums, we recorded Donlands mostly live in the studio with my band The Situation (Dan Mock, Kyle Sullivan and  in a circle – no headphones, just listening and existing, breathing as a whole. To me, it’s a record that lives in its own world.”

Named after the street in Toronto’s east end, where it was recorded, in what once was the Donlands theatre, Leger’s latest album was his most atmospheric, sonically interesting and striking yet – largely a departure from his folk, blues-rock and Americana roots for a spooky and intimate, cinematic soul sound.

Low-key opener, Sort Me Out, its lyrics inspired by conversations Leger had with his therapist, was his take on an old-fashioned rhythm and blues/ soul ballad – Johnny Ace and Roy Orbison influenced the feel – with late-night electric piano and organ.

There was more organ on the moody and swampy I Was Right To Doubt Her – a haunting, Tom Waits-like song about addiction that sounded like it had emerged from the fog on the bayou. It also has a Dylan Time Out Of Mind vibe, which comes as no surprise – Howard was an engineer on that record and Leger is a huge fan of it.

Three Hours Ahead Of Midnight resembles a ‘60s country-soul standard – it could’ve been written by Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham, it’s that great.

You Carry Me is the record’s heaviest moment and its most upbeat. It has a funky, fuzzed-up, playful groove that recalled the Velvet Underground and Iggy Pop.

I Need Love is stunning – an aching and nakedly honest country ballad with pedal steel, while Out There Like The Rain cocoons the listener in what could be weird, warm electronica, which, with touches of pedal steel, creates a startling, sci-fi country soundtrack.

The closer, Slow Night In Nowhere Town, is another spellbinding country song – it’s easy to imagine it playing on a jukebox in a dark corner of a bar in a backwater town, with just the barkeeper and a couple of lonely regulars to keep it company.

“This song has a cinematic quality,” says Leger. “I see bright neon lights and no one around. It has a windshield wiper rhythm, which I think is perfect.”

Matt Deighton, the former frontman and guitarist of ‘90s English acid jazz outfit, Mother Earth, who has played and recorded with acts including Paul Weller, Dr Robert (The Blow Monkeys), Mick Talbot (The Style Council) and Squeeze’s Chris Difford,  has made a string of brilliant soulful and rustic solo albums, steeped in folk-horror, mod-rock and pastoral beauty, but yet he remains one of Britain’s best kept secrets.

His latest album, Today Become Forever – his seventh and first since 2018 – is one of his best.

The record, which is the follow-up to 2018’s Doubtless Dauntless, was produced in part by Ken Scott (The Beatles, David Bowie, George Harrison) and Deighton himself.

Opening song and first single, A Song That’s On My Mind, is a sturdy and rousing, Weller-like mod-rock anthem, with a heavy soul feel thanks to a great brass arrangement by sax player and flautist, Jacko Peake, while things take a more laid-back turn on the gorgeous and folky ballad, High Time (Figured It Out), which has soaring strings and splashes of country piano.

The stripped-down Stringless Heart – acoustic guitar and strings – is a great showcase for Deighton’s playing and his aching vocals, as is the jazzy Letting Go, which has some lovely flute by Peake on it, giving it a Nick Drake circa Bryter Layter vibe.

The big brass sound is back on the upbeat Ruthless Grin – another slice of powerful mod-rock with a vocal part by Deighton’s wife, Clare.

Matt Deighton

Anhedonia – named after the inability to feel pleasure – is one of the album’s heavier moments, with a great, fuzzed-up guitar sound that’s reminiscent of Blur’s Graham Coxon, whereas Snow Lit Lovers is tender and cinematic – an atmospheric and intimate soundtrack for long winter nights.

Second single, When All Heaven Breaks Loose, is a moody and autumnal ballad that feels like it was written about Deighton’s well-documented battle with anxiety and depression, but amidst all the sadness, it has a yearning and hopeful quality: “When the winter’s over and the leaves turn green – when the rain stops pouring down… When your heart is open, but love doesn’t come, could you make it on your own? I need something to take me – I need something to break me out of this blue.”

If you need something to listen to as 2023 turns to 2024, here’s my list of the 60 best albums of the year, along with a Spotify playlist.

See you on the other side…

Say It With Garage Flowers: Best Albums of 2023

  1. Bennett Wilson Poole – I Saw A Star Behind Your Eyes, Don’t Let It Die Away
  2. The Coral – Sea of Mirrors
  3. The Coral – Holy Joe’s Coral Island Medicine Show
  4. The National – First Two Pages of Frankenstein
  5. The National – Laugh Track
  6. Matt Deighton – Today Become Forever
  7. Dot Allison – Consciousology
  8. Jerry Leger – Donlands
  9. The Lilac Time – Dance Till All The Stars Come Down
  10. Depeche Mode – Memento Mori
  11. Richard Olson & The Familiars – Richard Olson & The Familiars 
  12. Andrew Gabbard – Cedar City Sweetheart
  13. Cut Worms – Cut Worms
  14. Pete Molinari  – Wondrous Afternoon
  15. Gaz Coombes – Turn The Car Around
  16. Vinny Peculiar – How I Learned To Love The Freaks
  17. Emma Anderson – Pearlies
  18. Billy Valentine and the Universal Truth – Billy Valentine and the Universal Truth 
  19. Edgar Jones – Reflections Of A Soul Dimension
  20. Nick Waterhouse – The Fooler
  21. Blur – The Ballad of Darren
  22. Noel Gallagher’s High Flying Birds – Council Skies
  23. Iraina Mancini – Undo The Blue
  24. The Ironsides – Changing Light
  25. Whatitdo Archive Group – Palace of a Thousand Sounds
  26. The Long Ryders – September November
  27. The Mariners – Four Sides of the Circle
  28. The Black Delta Movement – Recovery Effects
  29. Rose City Band – Garden Party
  30. Those Pretty Wrongs – Holiday Camp
  31. Wilco – Cousin
  32. Teenage Fanclub – Nothing Lasts Forever
  33. Dropkick – The Wireless Revolution
  34. Burning Ferns – World of the Wars
  35. William Matheny – That Grand, Old Feeling
  36. Cowboys In The Campfire – Wronger
  37.  Luke Tuchscherer – Widows & Orphans
  38. Jenny Don’t and The Spurs – Fire On The Ridge
  39. GA-20 – Live In Loveland
  40. Jim Bob – Thanks For Reaching Out
  41. Andrew Weiss and Friends – Beverly Hills, Thanksgiving Day
  42. Sam Burton – Dear Departed
  43. Sparklehorse – Bird Machine
  44. Ian M Bailey – We Live In Strange Times
  45. Kevin Robertson – Magic Spells Abound
  46. The Kynd – Timelines
  47. Adam Masterson – Time Bomb
  48. Darren Jessee – Central Bridge
  49. Hannah Rose Platt – Deathbed Confessions
  50. Simon Rowe – Everybody’s Thinking
  51. Spearmint – This Candle Is For You
  52. Everything But The Girl – Fuse
  53. Vince Clarke – Songs of Silence
  54. The Pretenders – Relentless
  55. Andy Bell & Masal – Tidal Love Numbers
  56. The Boo Radleys – Eight
  57. Reno Bo – Never Night Time On The Sun
  58. Ian Hunter – Defiance Part 1
  59. Star Collector – Attack, Sustain, Decay… Repeat
  60. Hurricane#1 – Backstage Waiting To Go On

‘I wanted to be a poet and a rock ‘n’ roll star’

In an exclusive interview, Stephen Duffy, singer-songwriter and frontman of The Lilac Time, tells Say It With Garage Flowers why his band’s new album, Dance Till All The Stars Come Down, is the best thing he’s ever done, how he wrote the record thinking these could be the last songs he’d ever write, and why he thinks what he does is out of fashion.

“I’ve had a bizarre gardening accident,” says singer-songwriter, Stephen Duffy, frontman of indie-folkers The Lilac Time – he is talking to Say It With Garage Flowers over Zoom from his home in Falmouth, Cornwall, and sporting a cut lip.

“I put it down to global warming – a little tree had blown over,” he explains. “I got a stake and I pushed it into the ground to hold the tree back, but the stake broke and I fell into the wall. The climate pledges have got to be met because I’m having a lot of trouble out here in the garden.”

Big issues, such as climate change and wildfires (Adiós And Goodnight), the plight of Syrian refugees and the rise of Trump, (A Makeshift Raft) and the cruelness of the Tory government (The Long Way) are all subjects that Duffy explores on The Lilac Time’s latest album, Dance Till All The Stars Come Down.

Their first album since 2019’s Return To Us  and the eleventh since they released their eponymous debut in 1987, it’s a wonderful record. Acoustic, stripped-back, sparse and intimate – it doesn’t feature conventional drums or bass – it has a rustic country-folk feel. It’s also very much a family affair – The Lilac Time comprises Duffy, his brother, Nick, and wife, Claire.

‘The climate pledges have got to be met because I’m having a lot of trouble out here in the garden’

Ben Peeler plays pedal steel guitar and the songs have been beautifully mixed and mastered by the Grammy-winning John Paterno, who has worked with The Lilac Time since 2015 – his other clients include Bonnie Raitt, Badly Drawn Boy and Robbie Williams – Duffy co-wrote songs with Williams in the early Noughties.

Q&A

I love the new record – I’ve been playing it loads…

Stephen Duffy: Thank you.

You think it’s the best album you’ve ever made, don’t you?

SD: I think so. I suppose you always think that, and then years later, you think, ‘that was a load of old nonsense’. But, with this, getting rid of the bass and drums and focusing on the guitar playing and the singing has made it feel better for me – it forced me to concentrate more on the songs too, because there was nothing to hide behind. There’s also mandolin and a bit of pedal steel on it.

Why did you decide to make a stripped-down record?

SD: I play the bass and drums, but I was thinking that perhaps I do that because I enjoy it and I wasn’t always serving the song – I was serving my wish to have fun, which is great for me, but it might not be useful to the music and to the song. So, I thought, ‘I’m not going to do that’.

One of the reasons was because I thought it would be quicker, but it was much slower because every little guitar and vocal thing was completely exposed.

I recorded it just after the pandemic, so my chops – or my chop, as Leonard Cohen would probably call it – weren’t well-oiled. I had to play some of the songs as if I was going on tour, just to get them sounding fluid. There were a couple of first takes but a lot of it took a lot of work.

Wasn’t the first single, A Makeshift Raft, written in 2015?

SD: It started then.

And it was inspired by the death of Syrian refugee, Alan Kurdi, who drowned while attempting to reach Greece…

SD: When you write about something as awful as that – a Syrian boy dying – you think, ‘Where do I go from there?’ ‘What else is there?’

So, I stopped at that point, but then there was the Trump thing and Brexit, so I started to write more and more verses, and then, just before I recorded it, I wrote the happy verse at the end, to send everybody home laughing: ‘I’ll see you on my handlebars, sing me songs of love,’ which kind of refers back to Return To Yesterday [from the band’s self-titled 1987 debut album].

‘When you write about something as awful as a Syrian boy dying, you think, ‘Where do I go from there?’ ‘What else is there?’

The second single, The Long Way, is also a political song – it’s a rebuke to Tory voters, isn’t it? It seems to be about the unkindness of a lot of the current government’s policies and its cruel attitude towards a lot of people…

SD: What gets me is the way that they talk about ‘the blob’ – the machinery of this country, like the laws and the civil service, which make things go, but ‘the blob’ is them and the readership of The Daily Express and The Daily Mail.

How do they think they’re going to get people [on their side] by coming up with horrible policies? It can’t appeal to young people – the people it appeals to must be either senile or dead. It’s very short-term and it creates so much divide and hatred when we’ve got to get together and sort out the real problems, like child poverty, complete poverty – people going to food banks – and climate change. That’s been normalised.

It never really occurred to me that The Long Way was a song about politics – it’s more of a song about finding people and finding your tribe. For some people, that’s your family, or finding a group.

Music is less tribal these days, isn’t it? There used to be definite groups of people who liked different types of music – mods and rockers, indie kids and clubbers, disco versus rock ‘n’roll…

SD: We only had music, didn’t we? I saw an old guy I used to work with and I said, ‘What has taken over from music?’ It was so central to our lives – someone had an album and you went round to theirs to listen to it…  He said, ‘The phone.’ And I said, ‘What about the phone?’ And he said, ‘It doesn’t matter, so long as it’s coming out of the phone or on it.’ That’s the whole thing…

It’s very depressing when you look at your statistics for your endeavours on social media or the streaming stats, which are ludicrous – you have to open the spreadsheets up so much that they get to .0000. Where do I get my 1? You get so little from the plays… Most people only listen for 20 or 25 seconds.

I did an unboxing video [on Instagram] or the new album – it was like 1 minute and 10 seconds – and people only watched the first 25 seconds. Haven’t they even got a minute to wait for me to take the thing out of the box?

You’ve said that you wrote the songs for the new record as if they were going to be the last songs ever written – by you or anybody. Was that inspired by something Bob Dylan once said around the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis?

SD: Yes – I think he said that because the bomb was going to drop, he had to get everything out and put it in one song [A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall ] – and it’s such a stunning song.

I wanted to feel that I’d got everything into each song that I wanted to get in and, if was going to be your last song, make it a good one.

So, did you feel like it was the end of the world while you were writing the album?

SD: With the climate tipping point we’re now at, it did feel like that. You’ve got kids, haven’t you?

Yes – I’ve got four-year-old twin boys…

SD: My girl is 11. Even though it might be the end of the world, you want to be positive and to fight for it not to be – you can’t allow yourself to go into some kind of depressing 12-song dirge.

In the song Adiós And Goodnight, you mention seeing wildfires in California. You lived in L.A. when you were writing with Robbie Williams, didn’t you?

SD: Yes – you could see the fires and smoke from Mulholland. It looked like the end of the world, when you saw the pictures of the burnt-out houses.

Let’s not make people think this is the most depressing album in the world, but you can’t turn your back on things and pretend they’re not happening.

Considering the state of the world, why do you think many younger contemporary artists and pop acts shy away from writing protest songs?

SD: The period when people think pop was squeaky clean – just after punk, when pop had a revival and there was the second British Invasion… when you think of Bronski Beat and Red Wedge… There were so many people who stood up for something but just happened to make pop songs or didn’t divorce their private life from their music.

Now, there’s so much stuff being put up on Spotify everyday… If a record company wants to put its money behind something, they’re not going to choose anything contentious, are they? They go for the safest thing over and over again.

The first song on the album, Your Vermillion Cliffs, is a dramatic ‘50s-tinged strummer. Was the sound of it inspired by The Everly Brothers?

SD: The Everlys always had very manicured drums, like on Ferris Wheel and Till I Kissed Her, so that was part of it, but the strumming is kind of Dylanesque and there’s a French ballad thing going on. It’s a throwback in many ways – I know that I’m working in a completely outmoded form. People do not write songs like this anymore, do they? It’s a genre that is not being practised.

Do you write your songs on acoustic guitar?

SD: Yes – if you’re going to do that, you can’t fuck around. You’ve got to nail each one.

I love the opening line from Your Vermillion Cliffs: “I’ve never liked my birthdays, they always make me sad.” Morrissey would be proud to have written that…

SD: It’s also kind of true, but this year was okay…

Are you 63?

SD: Yes – 63. A couple of months before my birthday, I used to feel a little down and I’d think, ‘What’s going on?’ Then I’d realise ‘Here we go again…’

I’m 50 next year, but I’m feeling alright about it at the moment….

SD: Your fifties go so quick – that’s the problem. You get to 50 and you think, ‘Hey, it’s not so bad,’ and then it’s like, ‘Hang on – I’m 60! How did that happen?’ Nothing beats 30 – that for me was the worst one. I had failed to become as big as The Beatles…

‘As a kid, I had this thing in my head that I was going to be as great as Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.  Suddenly  I realised that I wasn’t even going to be as good as a Graham Nash B-side!’

When you were young, and in the early line-up of Duran Duran, before they became famous, did you want to be a pop star?

SB: Not really – I didn’t have the ambition to do that. Otherwise, I would’ve stayed with them. I had that crazy Marc Bolan angle on it – I wanted to be a poet and a rock ‘n’ roll star. I’ve always made things as hard as possible…

When I was 29, we were making Paradise Circus [The Lilac Time’s second album – from 1989] and I’d given up smoking. Something happened to my voice and it went really reedy. The engineer said, ‘Why don’t you start smoking again? – he was imploring me.

As a kid, you have this thing in your head that you’re going to be as great as Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young and then, suddenly – and it was late for me – I realised that I wasn’t even going to be as good as a Graham Nash B-side! I’d really have to struggle… So, 29/30 was when I had the first glimmer of reality, which was ‘be yourself.’ You can’t be anything another than that.

My favourite song on the new album is The Band That Nobody Knew, which is about being on the road and the dysfunctional relationship you have with touring… 

SD: It’s that thing about being in the van and, however shambolic the last gig was, you’ve got another one tomorrow, and that bit in-between towns, where you can put that behind you and focus on being godlike tonight. You’re in your little cocoon. That’s the crazy thing about pop – when you’re successful, or even not, you can get into a little bubble, even if you’re a little band driving around in a van.

When you started writing songs with Robbie Williams, you had a glimpse of pop stardom through his eyes. How was that – seeing the bubble that he was in?

 SD: The ultimate bubble…

If you’d become famous, could you have coped with it?

SD: It made me realise that I’d done the right thing leaving Duran. I would never have wanted to have that on my shoulders. Also, just that repetition of songs you don’t want to play.

With The Lilac Time, we tried to play the first album at Port Eliot Festival in 2017 or 2019 or something, and we started rehearsing it. Halfway through, I just couldn’t do it. I didn’t want to be 25 again and I couldn’t get behind the songs – not even in a nostalgic ‘this is fun’ way.

I think Rob had trouble with that too – he’d done so many tours and he’d played those songs so often. There’s nothing like not playing a song for a stadium that wants you to play it. I was more like I didn’t want to play Love Becomes A Savage to 300 people at Port Eliot Festival – it was a different kind of pressure on me.

Blur are back – you worked with Alex James in Me Me Me in 1996…

SD: We’ve got to save the Me Me Me revival. We could probably play Falmouth Town football club, but I don’t think we could fill it…

On The Last Day of the Last Days of Summer, from the new record, is a beautiful song, and you’ve used a line from it for the album title, Dance Till All The Stars Come Down, which was also inspired by a W.H. Auden poem…

SD: The album was going to be called On The Last Day of the Last Days of Summer but when Claire and I were singing that song and we sang the line, ‘Dance ’til all the stars come down,’ I thought, ‘That’s what it is.’ It contained an emotional punch.

The Lennonesque acoustic guitar picking on it sounds like Julia from The White Album

SD: Yes, and, of course, Donovan takes some of the responsibility for that – for teaching The Beatles that in Rishikesh. He probably takes responsibility for a lot of things, though.

Candy Cigarette has a folk-blues feel, with mandolin. What inspired that song?

SD: Musically, it was kind of inspired by Candy Man and the early folk picking songs that I loved when I first got into Dylan. I think he actually did Candy Man on a bootleg.

When I was picking away and I came up with the lick, I thought it was like Candy Man and then I spent ages trying to desperately make it work – ‘I got no silver spoon. I got a candy cigarette…. I got close, but no cigar – I got a candy cigarette.’

Was the new record fun to make?

SD: Apart from the fact that I was exposing every deficiency in my singing, guitar playing and lyric writing… It was kind of torturous, but the end result was so good – thanks to Ben Peeler for playing pedal steel, which really added something.

I love making records – I think this is my twenty fourth or something. I’m working on a 20-CD box set – it will be out in October 2024.

Instead of just repackaging all the albums, I’m making 20 completely new compilations involving mixes – and some songs – that have never been heard.

It’s taken such a long time – just making a nine-track album can take you months. I’m now making 20 albums – there are two CDs of live stuff that’s never come out and two CDs of unreleased stuff and demos and stuff like Cocksure, which I did with Stephen Street in 1985. That became Because We Love You, but it was before the record company tore it apart and stuck it back together.

It will also have Music In Colours in it, which I did with Nigel Kennedy – it had transition pieces on it, but we’re going to do an album without those, and then we’re going to do an album of just instrumentals and the transitions.

There’s something for everyone from each period – I’ve got a demo of Kiss Me, when I’m playing it for the first time on piano and it sounds like Blueberry Hill. If I’d have stuck with that, it would never have been a 20-CD box set…

‘People don’t want songs. George Jones is dead and who would I write with? Who would my antique style of songwriting appeal to? Richard Hawley writes his own’

You’ve been writing songs since 1978…

SD: Yes – the first song I wrote that I thought was any good was Aztec Moon, which we released on The Devils and The Hawks albums.

Would you like to do more songwriting collaborations?

SD: People don’t want songs. George Jones is dead and who would I write with? Who would my antique style of songwriting appeal to? Richard Hawley writes his own. I know that what I’m doing is a niche.

Any plans to write an autobiography? I think you mentioned it the last time we spoke…

SD: It’s just a Lilac Time thing – that’s still going on. It might be ready at the same time as the box set – if I don’t fall over gardening.

Dance Till All The Stars Come Down is released on July 21 (Poetica). It’s available on vinyl, CD and digital.

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